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>> The really interesting thing about this proof is that it doesn't use divisibility, just mathematical induction in its "Z is well-ordered" form. >That's quit
by contravariant 11y ago
>> The really interesting thing about this proof is that it doesn't use divisibility, just mathematical induction in its "Z is well-ordered" form.
>That's quite a bold statement. It would mean that this proof should generalize to other well-ordered sets that do not provide any notion of divisibility.
It doesn't, for the somewhat obvious reason that divisibility makes sense in any set that has a notion of 'multiplication'. The proof itself doesn't use any statements of the form 'x is divisible by y' though, not even implicitly as far as I can tell.
Even fraction laws don't really count as 'using' divisibility. Since fractions can be defined in a way that doesn't directly use divisibility (although the concepts are obviously related).
Being well ordered is a far more restrictive property than 'having a notion of divisibility'.
> Moreover, these fractions are not even fractions in Z, but in R, or at least in Z[sqrt(m)]. So there's still a lot of specialized structure involved in this proof.
According to the proof the fractions are in Q not R.
- vog 11y ago> According to the proof the fractions are in Q not R. That's a circular argument. During the proof this is not given, only after the proof.
- contravariant 11y agoDuring the proof it is assumed, this assumption leads to a contradiction, hence the assumption 'sqrt(m) is in Q' is false. The reason this is not a circular argument is that they don't assume the thing they're trying to prove, but rather it's negation.
- vog 11y agoYou are right. My bad.