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It was an official TV-video-quadcopter from an Italian local TV company. The FIS was initially okay with it. The quadcopter operater has a pilot license and was

by frik 11y ago

It was an official TV-video-quadcopter from an Italian local TV company. The FIS was initially okay with it. The quadcopter operater has a pilot license and was suposed to fly only in a specific corridor with no visitors nor athletes underneath. Though, the quadcopter (intentionally?) left the corridore several times in the minutes before the crash (for better videos?). https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsport.orf.at%2Fstories%2F2243235%2F2243236%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u... Just last week a new unproofen airbag system seriously injured an athlete [edit: still under investigation]. The new airbag system was from the Italian company Dainese. The athlete suffered a 3 times vertebral fracture which maybe ends his young career. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsport.orf.at%2Fstories%2F2243222%2F2243146%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=h... http://www.dainese.com/eu_en/newsdetail/D-air-Ski-official http://www.dainese.com/eu_en/newsdetail/D-air-Ski-official http://www.dainese.com/eu_en/athletes/ http://www.dainese.com/eu_en/athletes/ (the athlete in question isn't featured on the website anymore)

kbart 11y ago
Wow, it was news for me that athletes wear airbags.
- Piskvorrr 11y ago
  It's a new thing, they started coming out of the labs a season or two ago: http://news.pocsports.com/2015/10/13/poc-and-inmotion-introduce-airbag-safety-for-skiers/ http://news.pocsports.com/2015/10/13/poc-and-inmotion-introd...
- frik 11y ago
  It's very new. "The airbag is in this debut season by no means standard. Because many drivers believe he would impede on the track. Others fear aerodynamic deficiencies and malfunctions. In addition, the Italian manufacturer Dainese many teams not supplied as outfitters. And so had the sixth race this winter in addition to Mayer only five further downhill in Val Gardena over the air bag striped, four Austrians and two Canadians." (from the source above)
  - comrh 11y ago
    To clarify these are airbags designed to protect you in a downhill crash (which are usually very violent for big alpine riders) but avalanche airbags that help you rise to the top of the stream of snow have been pretty standard equipment for the past ~5 years.
  - at-fates-hands 11y ago
    This sounds very much like the slow adoption of the HANS Device in NASCAR. The guy who developed said he sold maybe 200 in the first ten years. That all changed when Dale Earnhardt died of a basilar skull fracture, and then the drivers lined up to get them. It's now standard equipment on all NASCAR vehicles. http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/09/11/ups-hans-device.html http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/09/11/u...
- ablation 11y ago
  Dainese (and others) have made airbags for professional motorcycle racers for several years now too. It's quite interesting tech.
  - vesrah 11y ago
    Not only that, but Alpinestars sells a street jacket with an airbag system - along with their race suit. Hit Air (a system worn over your suit) has been in use by track riders for a couple of years now.
    - durandal1 11y ago
      Dainese are also selling their D-Air system in the US now.
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    I've seen absorber-jacket things, when I read air bag I picture a real airbag on a plastron.
- braythwayt 11y ago
  Airbags have been in use for equestrian sports for quite some time. A number of the manufacturers offer models for equestrian, power sports, or both.
sh4nks 11y ago
Looks like the italians have something against us austrians..
- stefantalpalaru 11y ago
  Can you blame them? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befreiungsausschuss_S%C3%BCdtirol https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befreiungsausschuss_S%C3%BCdti... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Tirol https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Tirol
- musha68k 11y ago
  In addition to applying Hanlon's Razor more liberally I'd encourage you to let go of the nationalist worldview if only for the sake of not feeding the trolls. Thank you, a fellow European (specifically, from Austria as well)
pvitz 11y ago
There is no proof that the airbag was responsible for his injuries and at least the German version of the news article isn't making any accusations like this.
maaaats 11y ago
The last part is FUD.
vanadium 11y ago
Anecdotally, all the news in the U.S. I've heard around the athlete wearing the airbag was quite contradictory to the assertion that the airbag exacerbated the problem; the story was that it actually may have saved him from much greater injuries.
- frik 11y ago
  On day one yes. The serious injuries were found out later in hospital, the picture changed the next day. If you read the article, several persons with different views are quoted including U.S. American Ted Ligety... (The follow up articles are usually not on page one.)
  - pvitz 11y ago
    Who else is quoted in the article with an opinion similar to Ted Ligety's? Also, I don't want to insinuate bad motives, but it should be pointed out that he is a co-founder of slytech (http://slytechprotection.com/athlete/ted-ligety/ http://slytechprotection.com/athlete/ted-ligety/).
shocks 11y ago
I'm having trouble understanding why the last part of this comment is relevant...?
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- frik 11y ago
  Same FIS skiing TV event/discipline, both incidents involve mechanical engineering, computer hardware and software. Both are currently featured in the news and are controversial. The second one happened just a few days earlier. Same skiing nation (in 5 races, 4 of their favorities were knocked out for (broken bones, etc)). The involved companies came in both incidents from the same country (coincidence, doesn't mean anything). But instead of downvoting, maybe just ignore it? Several downvoted/flagged it, but a lot more upvoted it. It seems other use a throw away user account to post controversial comments...
rebootthesystem 11y ago
This is what angers me when it comes to the whole drone industry. I've been flying model airplanes and heli's for over thirty years. I've owned planes costing in excess of $20K. They are FUCKING TOYS BUILT WITH TOY TECHNOLOGY. All of these companies, like DJI, and irresponsible operators, are ruining the hobby and placing property and people in danger. I would never, in a million years, think of flying anything over people, crowds, kids, homes, commercial buildings, etc. All of these systems are 0 F.T. (zero fault tolerant). Which means your decision making while flying them has to reflect the reality that the thing can fall out of the sky at any instant and there will be little or no control when this happens. What this means in practical terms is that you fly these things EXACTLY as we've been flying model airplanes for decades: Away from people and property. In general, at approved flying fields (clubs) or in the middle of nowhere. Bullshit like this is what is causing the FAA to now start down the path of treating model airplanes like guns: They are all bad. Never mind that millions of people have owned them for decades, fly them all the time and never hurt anyone. My fleet of probably thirty or so planes and helicopters has never placed even as much as a cat in danger. But, no, thanks to the stupid fucks who do crap like this now I have to register with the government because my planes and helicopters are going to magically charge their batteries, assemble themselves, open the garage door, fly out and hurt people, all while I am watching TV at home. The irony isn't lost on me here. This is exactly the gun argument. Drones don't hurt people, stupid people with drones hurt people. Let's go after them, not the drones.

by frik 11y ago

kbart 11y ago

Wow, it was news for me that athletes wear airbags.

Piskvorrr 11y ago
It's a new thing, they started coming out of the labs a season or two ago: http://news.pocsports.com/2015/10/13/poc-and-inmotion-introduce-airbag-safety-for-skiers/ http://news.pocsports.com/2015/10/13/poc-and-inmotion-introd...
frik 11y ago
It's very new. "The airbag is in this debut season by no means standard. Because many drivers believe he would impede on the track. Others fear aerodynamic deficiencies and malfunctions. In addition, the Italian manufacturer Dainese many teams not supplied as outfitters. And so had the sixth race this winter in addition to Mayer only five further downhill in Val Gardena over the air bag striped, four Austrians and two Canadians." (from the source above)
- comrh 11y ago
  To clarify these are airbags designed to protect you in a downhill crash (which are usually very violent for big alpine riders) but avalanche airbags that help you rise to the top of the stream of snow have been pretty standard equipment for the past ~5 years.
- at-fates-hands 11y ago
  This sounds very much like the slow adoption of the HANS Device in NASCAR. The guy who developed said he sold maybe 200 in the first ten years. That all changed when Dale Earnhardt died of a basilar skull fracture, and then the drivers lined up to get them. It's now standard equipment on all NASCAR vehicles. http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/09/11/ups-hans-device.html http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/09/11/u...
ablation 11y ago
Dainese (and others) have made airbags for professional motorcycle racers for several years now too. It's quite interesting tech.
- vesrah 11y ago
  Not only that, but Alpinestars sells a street jacket with an airbag system - along with their race suit. Hit Air (a system worn over your suit) has been in use by track riders for a couple of years now.
  - durandal1 11y ago
    Dainese are also selling their D-Air system in the US now.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  I've seen absorber-jacket things, when I read air bag I picture a real airbag on a plastron.
braythwayt 11y ago
Airbags have been in use for equestrian sports for quite some time. A number of the manufacturers offer models for equestrian, power sports, or both.

sh4nks 11y ago

Looks like the italians have something against us austrians..

stefantalpalaru 11y ago
Can you blame them? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befreiungsausschuss_S%C3%BCdtirol https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befreiungsausschuss_S%C3%BCdti... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Tirol https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Tirol
musha68k 11y ago
In addition to applying Hanlon's Razor more liberally I'd encourage you to let go of the nationalist worldview if only for the sake of not feeding the trolls. Thank you, a fellow European (specifically, from Austria as well)

pvitz 11y ago

There is no proof that the airbag was responsible for his injuries and at least the German version of the news article isn't making any accusations like this.

maaaats 11y ago

The last part is FUD.

vanadium 11y ago

Anecdotally, all the news in the U.S. I've heard around the athlete wearing the airbag was quite contradictory to the assertion that the airbag exacerbated the problem; the story was that it actually may have saved him from much greater injuries.

frik 11y ago
On day one yes. The serious injuries were found out later in hospital, the picture changed the next day. If you read the article, several persons with different views are quoted including U.S. American Ted Ligety... (The follow up articles are usually not on page one.)
- pvitz 11y ago
  Who else is quoted in the article with an opinion similar to Ted Ligety's? Also, I don't want to insinuate bad motives, but it should be pointed out that he is a co-founder of slytech (http://slytechprotection.com/athlete/ted-ligety/ http://slytechprotection.com/athlete/ted-ligety/).

shocks 11y ago

I'm having trouble understanding why the last part of this comment is relevant...?

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frik 11y ago
Same FIS skiing TV event/discipline, both incidents involve mechanical engineering, computer hardware and software. Both are currently featured in the news and are controversial. The second one happened just a few days earlier. Same skiing nation (in 5 races, 4 of their favorities were knocked out for (broken bones, etc)). The involved companies came in both incidents from the same country (coincidence, doesn't mean anything). But instead of downvoting, maybe just ignore it? Several downvoted/flagged it, but a lot more upvoted it. It seems other use a throw away user account to post controversial comments...

rebootthesystem 11y ago

This is what angers me when it comes to the whole drone industry. I've been flying model airplanes and heli's for over thirty years. I've owned planes costing in excess of $20K. They are FUCKING TOYS BUILT WITH TOY TECHNOLOGY. All of these companies, like DJI, and irresponsible operators, are ruining the hobby and placing property and people in danger. I would never, in a million years, think of flying anything over people, crowds, kids, homes, commercial buildings, etc. All of these systems are 0 F.T. (zero fault tolerant). Which means your decision making while flying them has to reflect the reality that the thing can fall out of the sky at any instant and there will be little or no control when this happens. What this means in practical terms is that you fly these things EXACTLY as we've been flying model airplanes for decades: Away from people and property. In general, at approved flying fields (clubs) or in the middle of nowhere. Bullshit like this is what is causing the FAA to now start down the path of treating model airplanes like guns: They are all bad. Never mind that millions of people have owned them for decades, fly them all the time and never hurt anyone. My fleet of probably thirty or so planes and helicopters has never placed even as much as a cat in danger. But, no, thanks to the stupid fucks who do crap like this now I have to register with the government because my planes and helicopters are going to magically charge their batteries, assemble themselves, open the garage door, fly out and hurt people, all while I am watching TV at home. The irony isn't lost on me here. This is exactly the gun argument. Drones don't hurt people, stupid people with drones hurt people. Let's go after them, not the drones.