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'Declining in market share': I assume you count 'Google throws crappy internal ads at every internet user and encourages mum and pop to "upgrade your browser"',

'Declining in market share': I assume you count 'Google throws crappy internal ads at every internet user and encourages mum and pop to "upgrade your browser"', right? I find it difficult to see how that can _not_ damage a free market. Mozilla seems to flourish as far as I am concerned: Servo, Rust and Firefox are surprising me time and time again and seem very well received in all my social circles.

Touche 11y ago
> 'Declining in market share': I assume you count 'Google throws crappy internal ads at every internet user and encourages mum and pop to "upgrade your browser"', right? Of course, Firefox numbers are going down, no? The reason is irrelevant.
- darklajid 11y ago
  I've seen varying sources and while they agree that Chrome leads (see above, unsurprisingly a wildly successful ad company is able to promote their own product), I don't believe that users are actively leaving Firefox. Back to flourishing: Recently an article on this very site explained that Mozilla is in a very stable financial situation. So, they seem to be independent (money) and successful (reach - I guess this is where we might not agree?). I just cannot understand the reasons behind a lot of 'Mozilla is basically dead and irrelevant' style posts on this very site.
  - RodericDay 11y ago
    Firefox's experimentation has been a little bit worrying, but I'm sticking through with them and recommending them everywhere I go so; long as they remain committed to the principles that make Firefox stand out. Chrome's propagation strategy is obviously very effective, but I know many people who eventually switched to Firefox and haven't gone back. It's a long race, and I'm happy that Mozilla is not giving up.
  - simula67 11y ago
    > 'Mozilla is basically dead and irrelevant' Not what was said. He said that the browser market share for Firefox is declining. I know there are plenty of Mozilla fanboys here, but the fact that Firefox is losing is not really disputable : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers Mozilla's success depends hugely on Firefox, which means, even though they are in a stable financial situation now, if they cannot stop the slide, they will be in trouble in the future.

Touche 11y ago

> 'Declining in market share': I assume you count 'Google throws crappy internal ads at every internet user and encourages mum and pop to "upgrade your browser"', right? Of course, Firefox numbers are going down, no? The reason is irrelevant.

darklajid 11y ago
I've seen varying sources and while they agree that Chrome leads (see above, unsurprisingly a wildly successful ad company is able to promote their own product), I don't believe that users are actively leaving Firefox. Back to flourishing: Recently an article on this very site explained that Mozilla is in a very stable financial situation. So, they seem to be independent (money) and successful (reach - I guess this is where we might not agree?). I just cannot understand the reasons behind a lot of 'Mozilla is basically dead and irrelevant' style posts on this very site.
- RodericDay 11y ago
  Firefox's experimentation has been a little bit worrying, but I'm sticking through with them and recommending them everywhere I go so; long as they remain committed to the principles that make Firefox stand out. Chrome's propagation strategy is obviously very effective, but I know many people who eventually switched to Firefox and haven't gone back. It's a long race, and I'm happy that Mozilla is not giving up.
- simula67 11y ago
  > 'Mozilla is basically dead and irrelevant' Not what was said. He said that the browser market share for Firefox is declining. I know there are plenty of Mozilla fanboys here, but the fact that Firefox is losing is not really disputable : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers Mozilla's success depends hugely on Firefox, which means, even though they are in a stable financial situation now, if they cannot stop the slide, they will be in trouble in the future.