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Definitely the guys who butcher people and leave them in 55 gallon drums. I'm hardly gonna blame the border patrol for doing their job which is guarding the bor
by 67726e 11y ago
Definitely the guys who butcher people and leave them in 55 gallon drums. I'm hardly gonna blame the border patrol for doing their job which is guarding the border.
- mitchtbaum 11y ago“The fall of moral civilization has always been brought about by those who were "just doing their jobs".” ― Jeremy Grantham
- 67726e 11y agoCan someone please explain to me what is wrong with the CBP's job? The Nuremberg defense isn't valid, yeah, but what makes that situation apply to folks running defense on the border. Last time I checked we weren't gassing illegal immigrants.
- lbotos 11y agoIt's a stretch: > Smugglers want to get drugs to the lucrative American market. > Border Patrol are told to stop them cause drugs are bad. >Politicians enact more border patrol regulations to counteract our strict drug policy. I'm inferring that OP wants border patrol to be political activists and fight for better drug laws instead of just "doing their jobs".
- 67726e 11y agoI guess, but CBP does more than just deal with just the smuggling of drugs so it's hardly clear that's the point.
- refurb 11y agoThat's kind of a ridiculous quote. Aren't most people "just doing their jobs" every day? That's like saying "The fall of moral civilization has always been brought about by those who "eat food on a regular basis"".
- hobs 11y agoWhat an interesting misinterpretation. Nobody would use "I was just eating food on a regular basis" as a defense against blame for misdeeds, which the GP's quote (referencing the Nuremberg defense and similar things events of disavowing blame for evil acts) would be commenting upon.
- mannykannot 11y agoThe interesting misinterpretation is in the original use of the quote in this thread - it cannot be used to assume anything in general about people who are just doing their jobs. Michtbaum may possibly be able to make the claim that these particular job-doers are a threat to civilization, but not by offering up this quote.
- 91bananas 11y agoStop and think though... It actually isn't that ridiculous. Do you not think we (humans) are contributing to the fall of moral civilization? Look around us. edit: clarity
- throwaway2048 11y agothats actually an interesting examination of the banality of evil in our everyday lives. How much harm do we cause the enviroment by eating the food we eat on a regular basis? How many people are killed and lives and futures destroyed by people that ard perfectly justified in doing their jobs? Evil isn't just for comic book super villians, nor does it require any sort of ill intent at all. Look around at your life, and the choices you and others make and ask (honestly) "who is being hurt", the answers can be suprising and unnerveing.
- dagw 11y agoThe people butchering people and leave them in 55 gallon drums are also "just doing their jobs".
- mc32 11y agoBut those "jobs" aren't backed by a legal framework, in fact, even in their own country it's considered grotesque, even in the same illegal outfits it's known as the dirty work.
- at-fates-hands 11y ago"Those who wish to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
- kingkawn 11y agoGuarding the border against an import industry that is worth billions of dollars and is illegal because our political system is beholden to retrograde moralizing.
- jahnu 11y agoVote for politicians who aren't. Unfortunately drug lords aren't interested in votes.
- avn2109 11y ago>> "...beholden to retrograde moralizing." I wish that was the only reason for the drug war, but moralizing is probably a relatively minor factor. I claim the bigger reasons are: 1) The prison-industrial complex is large and politically powerful, and it needs drug "criminals" 2) Many recreational drugs make the working populace less productive. They'd be blowing lines of coke and screwing each other all day or giggling at Spongebob after smoking a bowl instead of diligently churning out more boxes at the packing plant. Drugs that make you more productive are perfectly legal and widely prescribed (Adderall etc). 3) Many popular drugs are easily produced at home in quantities appropriate for individual use. You can trivially grow enough weed at home to support a serious habit. The man hates that and prefers drugs that are only amenable to production on a vast industrial scale, such that monopoly, taxation, and centralized control of production are easy. Tobacco and the aforementioned psychostimulants are the ne plus ultra industrial-only drugs; it's no cooincidence that they're quite legal.
- merpnderp 11y agoI'm all for ending the horrible consequences of prohibition, but people often ignore or gloss over that a lot of the war on drugs was requested by poor communities who had to deal with the consequences of high levels of drug use. When you're poor and can't move elsewhere, you turn to the police to get the heroin junkies off your front lawn or out of your apartment complex hallways. Which is too bad because it is really a job for social workers.
- csseinpoont 11y agoSo again, who are the bad guys because all three of those groups are responsible for such activities.
- 67726e 11y agoI'm as critical of my government as any, but please show some sources for a claim as ludicrous as this. The CBP does not go around mutilating corpses of those that they disagree with.
- csseinpoont 11y agohttp://boingboing.net/2015/07/01/us-customs-and-border-protecti.html http://boingboing.net/2015/07/01/us-customs-and-border-prote... Politicians continue to support a war effort which has murdered millions in the ME, they continue to turn a blind eye to torture, and hold the innocent in jails without trial. So yeah, all three groups are about as bad as each other.