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"In Germany there is no law that could force us to submit to a gag order or to implement a backdoor." meanwhile "Cock.li e-mail server seized by German author

"In Germany there is no law that could force us to submit to a gag order or to implement a backdoor." meanwhile "Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces" http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-server-seized-by-german-authorities-admin-announces/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-se... -edit- to: all yes I realize seizure is not a gag order nor a backdoor. but the whole article spends thousand word praising how privacy is so much more safe in Germany and how all the other states surveillance operations are so bad , which was kinda ironic.

lamby 11y ago
And, well, laws can be changed anyway.
chinathrow 11y ago
Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse, depending on how you run your stuff. He even mentioned logs... ouch.
- masklinn 11y ago
  > Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse Or better. If your ISP's server have been seized, as a user there's a chance you're aware of it[0]. If your ISP is backdoored or they're subject to a gag order, that's not the case. [0] and you probably have legal recourses or can appeal to your representatives
serengeti 11y ago
cock.li is not a German provider and states that it complies with US laws: "are there any conditions to having a cock.li address? no spam, no content illegal in usa, no getting me abuse complaints, no sending fake abuse complaints. I comply with all federal laws regarding online content hosting and will report any illegal activity to the relevant authorities (FBI, NCMEC, regional authorities)."
nabla9 11y ago
Seizure can be made public and email server provider take actions to protect against seizure. This is how it should work. Ability to force gag order or implement a backdoor is really disgrace in democratic society.
- gruez 11y ago
  >email server provider take actions to protect against seizure And how might that be done. The obvious answer would be encrypt the hard drive but what's preventing law enforcement from doing a cold boot attack?
  - vox_mollis 11y ago
    but what's preventing law enforcement from doing a cold boot attack? Not using ancient DRAM would be a great start. Remanance characteristics of DDR3 makes cold boot attacks extremely unlikely to be successful. ref: https://www1.cs.fau.de/filepool/projects/coldboot/fares_coldboot.pdf https://www1.cs.fau.de/filepool/projects/coldboot/fares_cold...

lamby 11y ago

And, well, laws can be changed anyway.

chinathrow 11y ago

Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse, depending on how you run your stuff. He even mentioned logs... ouch.

masklinn 11y ago
> Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse Or better. If your ISP's server have been seized, as a user there's a chance you're aware of it[0]. If your ISP is backdoored or they're subject to a gag order, that's not the case. [0] and you probably have legal recourses or can appeal to your representatives

serengeti 11y ago

cock.li is not a German provider and states that it complies with US laws: "are there any conditions to having a cock.li address? no spam, no content illegal in usa, no getting me abuse complaints, no sending fake abuse complaints. I comply with all federal laws regarding online content hosting and will report any illegal activity to the relevant authorities (FBI, NCMEC, regional authorities)."

nabla9 11y ago

Seizure can be made public and email server provider take actions to protect against seizure. This is how it should work. Ability to force gag order or implement a backdoor is really disgrace in democratic society.

gruez 11y ago
>email server provider take actions to protect against seizure And how might that be done. The obvious answer would be encrypt the hard drive but what's preventing law enforcement from doing a cold boot attack?
- vox_mollis 11y ago
  but what's preventing law enforcement from doing a cold boot attack? Not using ancient DRAM would be a great start. Remanance characteristics of DDR3 makes cold boot attacks extremely unlikely to be successful. ref: https://www1.cs.fau.de/filepool/projects/coldboot/fares_coldboot.pdf https://www1.cs.fau.de/filepool/projects/coldboot/fares_cold...