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Indeed, but a) you need to have the seed of having an open mind, that can help you later on. If you learnt to have a closed mind, then it's a fortress new idea
by twobits 11y ago
Indeed, but
a) you need to have the seed of having an open mind, that can help you later on. If you learnt to have a closed mind, then it's a fortress new ideas can't come in.
b) There is a upper limit of mixing proportions, above which the incoming mass of people is just too high, they stick together, and don't change / mix up with the existing population. This invasion is too big, too fast, for possible integration.
- scrollaway 11y agoI don't know if this is your intention but the way you talk about immigration as if it's a virus whose spread needs to be contained is frankly disgusting. What do you think will happen when "too many muslims" cross the border? Sharia law? Even in Turkey, a country nearly 99% muslim, only 12% favour Sharia law. (source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-...)
- leaveyou 11y agoIt's sad but I find your fervor trying to shame others to think like you because your ideas seem noble quite disgusting too. "Let's all rush and make cultural and social experiments because some guys want to feel good and we should be ashamed of ourselves if our instinct of cultural/ethnic conservation tells us to oppose radical change of our societies". I already know what happened when too many muslims crossed the border in your country and you don't have any right to impose me to do the same in my country.
- scrollaway 11y agoWhat makes you think I need to shame you into this? You're there trying to imply that the paris attacks are a result of immigration (which they were not), as if you knew anything about my country. Exactly the same thing you do to muslims, you do it to me. I've lived in romania, so I definitely recognize your mentality there. Looking at your comment history, you seem to almost exclusively attack other people, and most of them are on matters of ethnicity. I don't need any further proof that you are not, overall, a good person in terms of culture and acceptance. If after all this -- all those comments, those attacks, those outrageous claims... if after all this you still yourself think you're in the right? There's nothing I can do to convince you you're not.
- leaveyou 11y agoI'm not a "good person" indeed and as far as I know I don't need to be a "good person" to have a valid opinion and a vote in a democratic system. I too lived in france and I recognize your mentality. And yes, I believe the paris attacks (including charlie hebdo) are the result of immigration and if you can't make the connection then "there's nothing I can do to convince you" of anything.. All the terrorists involved were muslim immigrants or born in families of muslim immigrants. If their background and religion is just a coincidence please enumerate how many non-muslim, european or asian immigrants to France became terrorists and how do you explain that ? I'm sorry the truth is so offensive to you..
- twobits 11y agoUnfortunately, it's a lost cause arguing with the brain washed people like scrollaway. I recognize his mentality as well. It's the useful idiots, brain washed, living in a fantasy world, leftists. It's the "antifascists". Which are actually more fascist than anyone else.
- dang 11y agoWe've banned this account for breaking the HN guidelines. You can't personally attack other users like that here. Doing it after starting a flamewar makes it worse—or rather, not worse, but clearer. None of this is welcome on Hacker News. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We're happy to unban accounts when people give us reason to believe they'll follow the site rules in the future.
- dang 11y agoPlease stop using HN to post inflammatory political comments. That's not what this site is for.
- twobits 11y ago"You're there trying to imply that the paris attacks are a result of immigration (which they were not), as if you knew anything about my country. Exactly the same thing you do to muslims, you do it to me." Indeed. We here have an extreme case of scrollaway-phobia. /s The paris attacks were a result of ideology directly linked to islam. Immigration gave them the opportunity to actually do the attacks.
- XzetaU8 11y ago"Only" 12% of an almost 75 million population country is alot, furthermore "Research by the United Nations Population Fund indicates that 28.2% of marriages in Turkey — almost one in three — involve girls under 18" "Turkey - Child Marriage" (PDF) http://eeca.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/unfpa%20turkey%20overview.pdf http://eeca.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/unfpa%20tu...
- scrollaway 11y ago12% is, by some numbers, less than the % of the french population that is muslim (which is reported to be between 9 and 13%). Whether it's a big or a small number does not matter - it puts things in perspective. And turkey is not a good country, I never claimed it was (hoooly hell did I not claim that). So your numbers are absolutely meaningless.
- XzetaU8 11y agoTrue, you never claimed that, however you implied, as if "only 12% that favour Sharia law" is some statistically insignificant #. Maybe my numbers are absolutely meaningless as you say but so is your contribution to the discussion so far.
- scrollaway 11y agoFair enough, you're right the number was not very relevant.