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Insiders are still favored for no other reason than their relationship to the founder: >>> "Unless you’re one of the early members of the community (those that

by tarr11 11y ago

Insiders are still favored for no other reason than their relationship to the founder: >>> "Unless you’re one of the early members of the community (those that helped get Product Hunt off the ground and continue to be instrumental in curating great products), all posts submitted to Tech first start in Upcoming. " Eliminating that loophole completely would help in restoring faith.

jsneedles 11y ago
I disagree. The homepage has to start somewhere... and the small # of "insiders" who post great content everyday have that reputation built up to elevate posts. I'm sure if an "insider" posted some bad products that weren't a great fit for the community... they'd be treated like everyone else. I've seen it happen.
- minimaxir 11y ago
  > ... and the small # of "insiders" who post great content everyday have that reputation built up to elevate posts. This is circular logic. How did the insiders get the great content to post? By excluding other viable content posted by others.
  - jsneedles 11y ago
    Some work super hard to cultivate sources because they like to be known as great hunters. Some are contacted by companies/startups and offered to try things early... Some post for their friends. They're not excluding anybody. They're surfacing things that for the most part, have been proven to be liked by the community.
oelmekki 11y ago
Why won't people get PH is firstly about curation? This is the point of Ryan in this article, and nobody seems to get it. PH is not made so you can promote your startup, it's made so that product loving people discover new cool stuff every day. Ensuring the quality level is what PH team is after, way more than ensuring that "meritocracy is respected", or whatever hate in disguise HN is fantasizing about these days. To achieve this goal, Ryan took what we all know as the usual discovery channel - tech press - and opened it to a lot of people he gathered. They now try to find ways to scale this up, while keeping up with the high quality they expect from a curation process. Basically PH is a "opened press blog", not a "closed whatever you wish would help your startup". Edit: read Ryan's article again at this light and tell me he is not addressing this misunderstanding.

by tarr11 11y ago

jsneedles 11y ago

I disagree. The homepage has to start somewhere... and the small # of "insiders" who post great content everyday have that reputation built up to elevate posts. I'm sure if an "insider" posted some bad products that weren't a great fit for the community... they'd be treated like everyone else. I've seen it happen.

minimaxir 11y ago
> ... and the small # of "insiders" who post great content everyday have that reputation built up to elevate posts. This is circular logic. How did the insiders get the great content to post? By excluding other viable content posted by others.
- jsneedles 11y ago
  Some work super hard to cultivate sources because they like to be known as great hunters. Some are contacted by companies/startups and offered to try things early... Some post for their friends. They're not excluding anybody. They're surfacing things that for the most part, have been proven to be liked by the community.

oelmekki 11y ago

Why won't people get PH is firstly about curation? This is the point of Ryan in this article, and nobody seems to get it. PH is not made so you can promote your startup, it's made so that product loving people discover new cool stuff every day. Ensuring the quality level is what PH team is after, way more than ensuring that "meritocracy is respected", or whatever hate in disguise HN is fantasizing about these days. To achieve this goal, Ryan took what we all know as the usual discovery channel - tech press - and opened it to a lot of people he gathered. They now try to find ways to scale this up, while keeping up with the high quality they expect from a curation process. Basically PH is a "opened press blog", not a "closed whatever you wish would help your startup". Edit: read Ryan's article again at this light and tell me he is not addressing this misunderstanding.