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Thanks. I've heard the story but I haven't seen evidence of it, it smells too much like a marketing story (we're young and exciting, those old people are boring

Thanks. I've heard the story but I haven't seen evidence of it, it smells too much like a marketing story (we're young and exciting, those old people are boring and stuck in the past), and it seems very unlikely: I don't buy that the 'old' companies wouldn't want to reduce their costs by 75%, greatly increasing demand for their very expensive service, greatly increasing their bottom line - even in a cost-plus arrangement. Usually changes like this result from a technical or economic development.

swax 11y ago
Old companies don't want to reduce the cost - they like hundreds of millions of dollars per launch ;)
robotresearcher 11y ago
So why didn't the old companies do it? They have the same access to technical and financial expertise as anyone, and deep pockets.
- lmm 11y ago
  "Cost-plus" funding means they didn't have any incentive to reduce costs. The thing that got them money was keeping politicians onside, so it was more important to e.g. provide jobs in relevant states.
  - robotresearcher 11y ago
    I agree totally. I was responding to the parent who was challenging cost-plus as an explanation for Big-Co failing to bring down costs.
lsseckman 11y ago
That's true, even with less pressure it would have been in their reach to work on those projects. Seems strange to be just happening now.
ZoFreX 11y ago
It's not that we're young and exciting and the early attempts were old and boring. The comment you're replying to is pointing out the very different incentives between several private companies competing for and government-funded projects with totally different funding structures.
TeMPOraL 11y ago
Different incentives = different goals. SpaceX had to cut costs down to even be remotely competitive, and they had the benefit of starting from scratch, with no prior commitments in design of machine shops, etc. and with access to several decades worth of spaceflight experience. And they have a drive, too. Mars is not a marketing story, Elon seems to really believe in doing it, and a lot of people at SpaceX buy into this vision.

swax 11y ago

Old companies don't want to reduce the cost - they like hundreds of millions of dollars per launch ;)

robotresearcher 11y ago

So why didn't the old companies do it? They have the same access to technical and financial expertise as anyone, and deep pockets.

lmm 11y ago
"Cost-plus" funding means they didn't have any incentive to reduce costs. The thing that got them money was keeping politicians onside, so it was more important to e.g. provide jobs in relevant states.
- robotresearcher 11y ago
  I agree totally. I was responding to the parent who was challenging cost-plus as an explanation for Big-Co failing to bring down costs.

lsseckman 11y ago

That's true, even with less pressure it would have been in their reach to work on those projects. Seems strange to be just happening now.

ZoFreX 11y ago

It's not that we're young and exciting and the early attempts were old and boring. The comment you're replying to is pointing out the very different incentives between several private companies competing for and government-funded projects with totally different funding structures.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

Different incentives = different goals. SpaceX had to cut costs down to even be remotely competitive, and they had the benefit of starting from scratch, with no prior commitments in design of machine shops, etc. and with access to several decades worth of spaceflight experience. And they have a drive, too. Mars is not a marketing story, Elon seems to really believe in doing it, and a lot of people at SpaceX buy into this vision.