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Not sure if the "USA" chant after the first stage landed was warranted.

andyl 11y ago
USA! USA!
lolwutf 11y ago
It's a private company based in the USA, contributing to the advancement of USA's technology (largely, NASA). I think it was warranted.
- tensor 11y ago
  Many of us in other countries wouldn't think of chanting our countries name. I know I generally think of my work as "part of humanity" not for my country necessarily. The US is particularly nationalistic compared to others, which can be off putting for non-americans.
  - noir-york 11y ago
    > Many of us in other countries wouldn't think of chanting our countries name Unless you're German, than that statement is almost certainly false. And even Germany is changing. Your statement most likely reveals more about your political leanings then the levels of nationalistic fervour in different countries.
    - alkonaut 11y ago
      > Unless you're German, than that statement is almost certainly false. What? Imagine a Scandinavian or a Briton chanting their countries names in any other place than a sporting event (with an opposing country). It just doesn't happen.
      - yitchelle 11y ago
        The only other country I can think of is the Australians. They would chant the "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi! oi! oi!" even at a pub having a beer in the afternoon.
      - noir_lord 11y ago
        As a Brit I'd have to agree, don't think anyone has ever chanted "Britain, Britain". Other than football I can't think of any other time I've ever heard anyone chant "England, England" or whatever. Might be slightly more likely in Scotland as they are a bit more nationalistic.
noselfrighteous 11y ago
Yeah I pictured being a foreign national during that, I can imagine it being a little irksome. Edit: foreign national working at SpaceX. If there were not foreign national's involved in today's success, then feel free to ignore me.
- lolwutf 11y ago
  As a foreign national, you're a visitor in the USA.
ggreer 11y ago
ITAR[1] means that practically everyone working at SpaceX is either a US citizen or permanent resident. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_...
pwnna 11y ago
There's no foreign employees in SpaceX due to ITAR restrictions.
- iamcreasy 11y ago
  That's no true. If you can obtain a green card SpaceX can hire you. SpaceX was also able to hire foreign national without green card, but it's very difficult. I can't seem to locate the exact time, but this is most likely the interview where Elon Musk mentioned it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDoTKMqwT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDoTKMqwT4
mikeash 11y ago
This is arguably the greatest achievement in space flight since 1969 and you're going to tell the people who made it happen how they should celebrate?
- arrrg 11y ago
  Especially because of that. This nationalism is so weird. I mean, to me it’s mostly incredibly weird, nothing else much. I just cannot picture myself ever ever ever doing something like that, it’s just so incredibly alien. But a good demonstration of the toxic virality of nationalism, I guess. It manages to wriggle itself into anything.
  - lifeformed 11y ago
    It's just a cultural thing, it doesn't mean anything weird.
  - simonh 11y ago
    I'm somewhat floored. In what way do you find a bunch of Americans expressing pride in their country like that toxic? Good for them. I don't find it objectionable any more than us Brits signing Rule Britannia at the end of the Proms, but I know some do. I have to admit though that once on holiday in Germany, while siting in the ruins of a castle overlooking the Rhine at night, myself and some Brit and American friends of mine burst into a rousing chorus of Deutschland Uber Alles, much to the dismay of our German friends. So perhaps I have an odd sense of humor in this respect. And no I'm not some kind of proto Nazi. I also once memorized the words to much of the State Anthem of the USSR, and knew how to use them, but alas it's since largely slipped my memory. Life's too short to spend it walking around with a stick up your arse about these things IMHO.
    - arrrg 11y ago
      Nationalism in general is toxic. I firmly believe that nations are a deadly plague and that they should not exist.
hackuser 11y ago
I think the thing to consider is why a private company chose to include this in what looks like a carefully planned marketing presentation. It's a commercial. What are they selling?
- simonh 11y ago
  Space Launch capability. Bear in mind the video was a live stream. Unless the 'USA' chant was pre-planned and orchestrated by the company, it's just part of the background noise of the employees celebrating.

andyl 11y ago

USA! USA!

It's a private company based in the USA, contributing to the advancement of USA's technology (largely, NASA). I think it was warranted.

tensor 11y ago
Many of us in other countries wouldn't think of chanting our countries name. I know I generally think of my work as "part of humanity" not for my country necessarily. The US is particularly nationalistic compared to others, which can be off putting for non-americans.
- noir-york 11y ago
  > Many of us in other countries wouldn't think of chanting our countries name Unless you're German, than that statement is almost certainly false. And even Germany is changing. Your statement most likely reveals more about your political leanings then the levels of nationalistic fervour in different countries.
  - alkonaut 11y ago
    > Unless you're German, than that statement is almost certainly false. What? Imagine a Scandinavian or a Briton chanting their countries names in any other place than a sporting event (with an opposing country). It just doesn't happen.
    - yitchelle 11y ago
      The only other country I can think of is the Australians. They would chant the "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi! oi! oi!" even at a pub having a beer in the afternoon.
    - noir_lord 11y ago
      As a Brit I'd have to agree, don't think anyone has ever chanted "Britain, Britain". Other than football I can't think of any other time I've ever heard anyone chant "England, England" or whatever. Might be slightly more likely in Scotland as they are a bit more nationalistic.

noselfrighteous 11y ago

Yeah I pictured being a foreign national during that, I can imagine it being a little irksome. Edit: foreign national working at SpaceX. If there were not foreign national's involved in today's success, then feel free to ignore me.

lolwutf 11y ago
As a foreign national, you're a visitor in the USA.

ggreer 11y ago

ITAR[1] means that practically everyone working at SpaceX is either a US citizen or permanent resident. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_...

pwnna 11y ago

There's no foreign employees in SpaceX due to ITAR restrictions.

iamcreasy 11y ago
That's no true. If you can obtain a green card SpaceX can hire you. SpaceX was also able to hire foreign national without green card, but it's very difficult. I can't seem to locate the exact time, but this is most likely the interview where Elon Musk mentioned it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDoTKMqwT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDoTKMqwT4

mikeash 11y ago

This is arguably the greatest achievement in space flight since 1969 and you're going to tell the people who made it happen how they should celebrate?

arrrg 11y ago
Especially because of that. This nationalism is so weird. I mean, to me it’s mostly incredibly weird, nothing else much. I just cannot picture myself ever ever ever doing something like that, it’s just so incredibly alien. But a good demonstration of the toxic virality of nationalism, I guess. It manages to wriggle itself into anything.
- lifeformed 11y ago
  It's just a cultural thing, it doesn't mean anything weird.
- simonh 11y ago
  I'm somewhat floored. In what way do you find a bunch of Americans expressing pride in their country like that toxic? Good for them. I don't find it objectionable any more than us Brits signing Rule Britannia at the end of the Proms, but I know some do. I have to admit though that once on holiday in Germany, while siting in the ruins of a castle overlooking the Rhine at night, myself and some Brit and American friends of mine burst into a rousing chorus of Deutschland Uber Alles, much to the dismay of our German friends. So perhaps I have an odd sense of humor in this respect. And no I'm not some kind of proto Nazi. I also once memorized the words to much of the State Anthem of the USSR, and knew how to use them, but alas it's since largely slipped my memory. Life's too short to spend it walking around with a stick up your arse about these things IMHO.
  - arrrg 11y ago
    Nationalism in general is toxic. I firmly believe that nations are a deadly plague and that they should not exist.

hackuser 11y ago

I think the thing to consider is why a private company chose to include this in what looks like a carefully planned marketing presentation. It's a commercial. What are they selling?

simonh 11y ago
Space Launch capability. Bear in mind the video was a live stream. Unless the 'USA' chant was pre-planned and orchestrated by the company, it's just part of the background noise of the employees celebrating.