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jacquesm 11y ago
That's very painful to read. Codespaces went pretty much the same way, here is what they wrote: "Code Spaces will not be able to operate beyond this point, the cost of resolving this issue to date and the expected cost of refunding customers who have been left without the service they paid for will put Code Spaces in an irreversible position both financially and in terms of ongoing credibility. As such at this point in time we have no alternative but to cease trading and concentrate on supporting our affected customers in exporting any remaining data they have left with us." They promised a follow up once they got to the bottom of what happened but they never did, I'm still curious what the whole story was.
nsfyn55 11y ago
Once again. I only entertain statistical arguments. This anecdotal nonsense is for the birds. Any given service can fail at any time. This is known kaleesi. You can poop out case after case of some shit wiki platform losing your bird watching posts and it won't make a lick of difference. You need to show me that its better with the magic of statistics. Should be easy peasy show me that you have lost less data(proportionally) than amazon over your entire career. I can make this even easier. Its almost certainly going to boil down to this question. Have you ever lost even a single byte of data? Cause if you have, you aren't even in the same ballpark.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  I really hope you have the guts to point clear-switch.com customers and prospects to this thread and that you will take their response to heart. Really, you're absolutely incredible, I've yet to see a person responsible for other people's data with such a block-headed attitude to hard won industry experience.
- DougWebb 11y ago
  "Have you ever..." is the wrong question when it comes to risk management; the right questions are "Is is possible...", "How likely...", "How can you avoid..." and "What's the cost to avoid...". Have you ever been killed in a car accident? No? Then I guess you don't need a seatbelt, right? Has your house been burnt down by a lightning strike? No? Then no lightning rods and proper grounding for you, right? You don't wait until a disaster occurs before you put a disaster recovery plan in place.
  - nsfyn55 11y ago
    This is a misrepresentation. The "Have you ever" was to demonstrate a point. There are armies of IT housemen that believe they are better than securing data than the major storage providers. This attitude is pretty pervasive and patently nonsense. My point was to get them thinking. If you in your entire career have lost even a single byte of data. You are statistically missing the mark(in terms of data loss) by orders of magnitude. S3 is stupidly resilient. So much so that no amount of raid configs, backups, and redundancy on the part of the joker in the corner cubicle will ever even be even close. So getting back to risk management. So we about to make a QB selection for the big game. Now that we understand that the implementation of folks like jaque here are like the 12 year old pee wee standout vs. the cloud provider's seasoned NFL quarterback. Which one do you pick to safe guard your business.

jacquesm 11y ago

That's very painful to read. Codespaces went pretty much the same way, here is what they wrote: "Code Spaces will not be able to operate beyond this point, the cost of resolving this issue to date and the expected cost of refunding customers who have been left without the service they paid for will put Code Spaces in an irreversible position both financially and in terms of ongoing credibility. As such at this point in time we have no alternative but to cease trading and concentrate on supporting our affected customers in exporting any remaining data they have left with us." They promised a follow up once they got to the bottom of what happened but they never did, I'm still curious what the whole story was.

nsfyn55 11y ago

Once again. I only entertain statistical arguments. This anecdotal nonsense is for the birds. Any given service can fail at any time. This is known kaleesi. You can poop out case after case of some shit wiki platform losing your bird watching posts and it won't make a lick of difference. You need to show me that its better with the magic of statistics. Should be easy peasy show me that you have lost less data(proportionally) than amazon over your entire career. I can make this even easier. Its almost certainly going to boil down to this question. Have you ever lost even a single byte of data? Cause if you have, you aren't even in the same ballpark.

jacquesm 11y ago
I really hope you have the guts to point clear-switch.com customers and prospects to this thread and that you will take their response to heart. Really, you're absolutely incredible, I've yet to see a person responsible for other people's data with such a block-headed attitude to hard won industry experience.
DougWebb 11y ago
"Have you ever..." is the wrong question when it comes to risk management; the right questions are "Is is possible...", "How likely...", "How can you avoid..." and "What's the cost to avoid...". Have you ever been killed in a car accident? No? Then I guess you don't need a seatbelt, right? Has your house been burnt down by a lightning strike? No? Then no lightning rods and proper grounding for you, right? You don't wait until a disaster occurs before you put a disaster recovery plan in place.
- nsfyn55 11y ago
  This is a misrepresentation. The "Have you ever" was to demonstrate a point. There are armies of IT housemen that believe they are better than securing data than the major storage providers. This attitude is pretty pervasive and patently nonsense. My point was to get them thinking. If you in your entire career have lost even a single byte of data. You are statistically missing the mark(in terms of data loss) by orders of magnitude. S3 is stupidly resilient. So much so that no amount of raid configs, backups, and redundancy on the part of the joker in the corner cubicle will ever even be even close. So getting back to risk management. So we about to make a QB selection for the big game. Now that we understand that the implementation of folks like jaque here are like the 12 year old pee wee standout vs. the cloud provider's seasoned NFL quarterback. Which one do you pick to safe guard your business.