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> The FBI had little trouble getting access to Robert Ulbricht's servers, with the help of the Reykjavik Metropolitan Police. Notably in that case, the Iceland

> The FBI had little trouble getting access to Robert Ulbricht's servers, with the help of the Reykjavik Metropolitan Police. Notably in that case, the Icelandic police did not even seek a court order, as they didn't need to since the server was owned by a US citizen. They just got a letter from the US police and decided to perform a raid. So you're absolutely right. I'd question the technical compentency of anyone who would claim to have "NSA-proofed" anything without expounding further on the threat model.

emmetjumbleio 11y ago
Europe is a safer place than Iceland to host data and it will be interesting to watch how the "Microsoft" case plays out in the Irish courts over the coming months.
- throwaway7767 11y ago
  Safer for whom, and from whom? If your adversary is the NSA, you need to determine how interested they are in you. If you're on the shortlist, I doubt any national borders or legal frameworks will protect you - TAO doesn't respect them. If it's law enforcement like in the Ulbricht case, some countries may have stricter requirements for a local search warrant to be issued. But I doubt you can make such a sweeping generalisation about "europe".
nikcub 11y ago
> Notably in that case, the Icelandic police did not even seek a court order, as they didn't need to since the server was owned by a US citizen. And the trial judge didn't allow Ulbricht's challenge to suppress that evidence[1] on fourth amendment grounds as Ulbricht didn't claim or demonstrate ownership of the server[2] Which is a shame, as it would have been an interesting case and could have changed a lot of that trial. [1] and everything that followed per fruit of poisonous tree - which was most of the case [2] http://www.wired.com/2014/10/silk-road-judge-technicality/ http://www.wired.com/2014/10/silk-road-judge-technicality/

emmetjumbleio 11y ago

Europe is a safer place than Iceland to host data and it will be interesting to watch how the "Microsoft" case plays out in the Irish courts over the coming months.

throwaway7767 11y ago
Safer for whom, and from whom? If your adversary is the NSA, you need to determine how interested they are in you. If you're on the shortlist, I doubt any national borders or legal frameworks will protect you - TAO doesn't respect them. If it's law enforcement like in the Ulbricht case, some countries may have stricter requirements for a local search warrant to be issued. But I doubt you can make such a sweeping generalisation about "europe".

nikcub 11y ago

> Notably in that case, the Icelandic police did not even seek a court order, as they didn't need to since the server was owned by a US citizen. And the trial judge didn't allow Ulbricht's challenge to suppress that evidence[1] on fourth amendment grounds as Ulbricht didn't claim or demonstrate ownership of the server[2] Which is a shame, as it would have been an interesting case and could have changed a lot of that trial. [1] and everything that followed per fruit of poisonous tree - which was most of the case [2] http://www.wired.com/2014/10/silk-road-judge-technicality/ http://www.wired.com/2014/10/silk-road-judge-technicality/