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An interesting tweet by Sam Saffron: "@dhh this is just a bit too much https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/rails.gemspec#L28 https://github.com/rails/ra

• VeejayRampay 11y ago
  I don't think there's even been a point in Rails history where you've been forced to install something. I think those are all ActionCable dependencies, which I'm pretty sure you can deactivate (not every app requires the capability it offers).
  • cristianbica 11y ago
    The only way to deactivate it is from your app's Gemfile (remove gem "rails" and add all the active/action gems individually). For new apps there's a flag "--skip-action-cable". In the future probably the faye/redis will probably be made adapter based (similar to ActiveRecord and ActiveJob) and exctracted in a gem. So if you want actioncable you'll have to add a "actioncable-faye-adapter" gem to your Gemfile.
• aaronem 11y ago
  Eventmachine and Celluloid required by default? Huh. I suppose that's preferable to just installing node.js directly, although I confess I can't see how. /s
  • aikah 11y ago
    > Eventmachine and Celluloid required by default? Huh. I suppose that's preferable to just installing node.js directly, although I confess I can't see how. /s AFAIK nodejs is already an optionial rails dependency for the asset pipeline.
    • Rafert 11y ago
      It is through ExecJS[1] which allows different Javascript backends. [1]: https://github.com/rails/execjs https://github.com/rails/execjs
• why-el 11y ago
  Knowing how responsive the community usually is this will be optional in no time. I think the team prioritized a launch by the deadline they set over issues like this.
• matthewrudy 11y ago
  DHH did suggest it would become a runtime check, vs a gem dependency last week. But it seems to have made it into the beta as a gem dependency. https://github.com/rails/rails/pull/22585#discussion_r47515413 https://github.com/rails/rails/pull/22585#discussion_r475154...
• inopinatus 11y ago
  Rails 5 is a bloat too far for my liking as well. ActionCable's dependency on redis is too fat a pill to swallow, especially given that some of the existing ActiveRecord backends have pub/sub capabilities. The result is that I'm learning Elixir/Phoenix and having the same reaction Dave Thomas describes in his new book, that is, finding anew the joy of programming.
  • mbrain 11y ago
    Do you see a future in Elixer/Phoenix? And how do you like it?
    • chippy 11y ago
      I often do a word count of languages and technologies in the monthly "Who's hiring" posts here. Elixir/Phoenix gets less mentions than Erlang - often there would be at least one position that says they use Elixir, sometimes none.
      • awinder 11y ago
        Small point: this is how all popular languages once started. Much like the stock market, there's value in being balanced on the forefront of a technology along with a solid footing in an established technology. Having no balance in either direction is the only "risky" career move.
      • davidw 11y ago
        I once ran a language popularity site thing, and I think jobs are something of a trailing indicator. It takes a while for people to hire for whatever hot new thing is out.
    • Xixi 11y ago
      Another way to look at it is that Erlang has been there for a long time (longer than both Python and Ruby), and it is not going away soon. Elixir and Phoenix may or may not last, that I don't know, but they are a joy to work with.
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• fbernier 11y ago
  Just a small correction to this tweet, it doesn't use faye but faye-websocket which is just a websocket client/server which represents a tiny part of the Faye messaging system.
• jguimont 11y ago
  You just need to comment the line in the Gemfile and you are done, no more dependencies. What is the big deal really.
  • nwjsmith 11y ago
    That isn't the case for ActionCable, which will become a dependency of the 'rails' gem [1]. You'll have to unbundle the rails gem in your Gemfile, then require the frameworks you want one-by-one in application.rb [1]: https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/rails.gemspec#L28 https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/rails.gemspec#L28
    • nateberkopec 11y ago
      You can just add each Rails framework to your Gemfile and be done. `require "rails/all"` catches load errors, so you don't need to require the frameworks manually in application.rb. https://gist.github.com/nateberkopec/1184c81a92c10d84d779 https://gist.github.com/nateberkopec/1184c81a92c10d84d779
• doomslice 11y ago
  Minor note -- it doesn't appear like it requires faye, but rather faye-websocket, which is just a particularly amazing websocket wrapper that sprung out of the faye project.
• spoiler 11y ago
  Not to mention, I don't really see all the fuss about EventMachine. I worked with it a few years ago, and it had some very subtle bugs that caused me hours upon hours of headache; it would deadlock under more stressful workloads, or it would simply ignore some packets (even though the proxy server I wrote for debugging it received them just fine and forwarded them). I just hope that they resolved some of them. And Rails has always been a dependency soup, so I am not too surprised to see stuff piled onto the ever-growing list (I have nothing against Rails, I even use it, I'm just not too happy about the bloatyness).
  • hackercomplex 11y ago
    I would have rather seen Celluloid::IO being used personally but even that has it's quirks.
    • regularfry 11y ago
      Now we've got a dependency on both EM and Celluloid. Yay.
• nateberkopec 11y ago
  While you may disagree with DHH's reasons, you don't have to install or use ActionCable in Rails 5. Here's a few ways to avoid it: https://gist.github.com/nateberkopec/1184c81a92c10d84d779 https://gist.github.com/nateberkopec/1184c81a92c10d84d779
  • regularfry 11y ago
    You still get redis as a dependency if you `--skip-action-cable`. Seems... odd.