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I don't know why you were modded down, you are just stating your opinion. But your response has a basic logical misunderstanding. Both the US and China engage

I don't know why you were modded down, you are just stating your opinion. But your response has a basic logical misunderstanding. Both the US and China engage in cyber warfare, but making sure that Twitter is stable during a period of heavy use by protesters is clearly NOT "warfare", it is ensuring the free flow of information. More and more I am seeing the logic of those that say Chinese censorship is a violation of their WTO Free Trade obligations, as it allows them to sell their information services internationally without also allowing foreign firms to sell their information in China. This is restraint of trade, a protectionist attitude that will harm their development in the long run.

eagleal 17y ago
If we want to stack only at Twitter, it was only 1 of the several tools (news media too) USA (and whoever made profit) to make propaganda, yes actions like this are still called propaganda. This is the same method it used to invade Iraq, though used different tools. (Be aware that this is my opinion as I don't have sources.) definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda Look, I'm Albanian, I'm not attacking anyone, nor I'm interested in doing it. EDIT: For those of you thinking we live in a free world. Try writing down anything that undermines your country leaders, or what they won't you to say: in fact we don't know what to say, because if we did we couldn't (we will be the second one to know about it). We will be taken down as a National Security threat. See the Joseph Goebbels quote by chrisb down.
- berntb 17y ago
  >>EDIT: ... An old saw is that people from dictatorships believe in conspiracy theories -- after all, they live in one. (Just look at the Middle East and old Eastern Europe.) But THIS is over the limit for, well, strange... :-) >>Try writing down anything that undermines your country leaders, or what they won't you to say: in fact we don't know what to say, because if we did we couldn't So there are thought crimes/memes which we can't think about even in this age of the anonymous Internet? When people have been writing (and even implemented) revolutionary dogma for centuries?! The main problems with conspiracies is that they have to be secret. Nothing secret is ever efficient and works well. But certainly, some groups are illegal -- and should be. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and similar groups which murder civilians. The word "terrorism" do have a serious definition.
- delackner 17y ago
  OK, here: The elected and un-elected leadership of the United States practice terrorism and illegal manipulation of other countries in the world, and the US' own citizens, for the purpose of maintaining and increasing control over markets and natural resources. They have no real interest in the freedom of their citizens or of other peoples. Further, the government works primarily for the benefit of moneyed interests and has been thus since the founding of the republic. These are statements that I think you would agree "undermine the [US'] leaders." But we have the right to say them, and it is something we are very proud of. Almost all countries claim to offer this right to their citizens, but the US actually does grant it and protect it.

eagleal 17y ago

If we want to stack only at Twitter, it was only 1 of the several tools (news media too) USA (and whoever made profit) to make propaganda, yes actions like this are still called propaganda. This is the same method it used to invade Iraq, though used different tools. (Be aware that this is my opinion as I don't have sources.) definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda Look, I'm Albanian, I'm not attacking anyone, nor I'm interested in doing it. EDIT: For those of you thinking we live in a free world. Try writing down anything that undermines your country leaders, or what they won't you to say: in fact we don't know what to say, because if we did we couldn't (we will be the second one to know about it). We will be taken down as a National Security threat. See the Joseph Goebbels quote by chrisb down.

berntb 17y ago
>>EDIT: ... An old saw is that people from dictatorships believe in conspiracy theories -- after all, they live in one. (Just look at the Middle East and old Eastern Europe.) But THIS is over the limit for, well, strange... :-) >>Try writing down anything that undermines your country leaders, or what they won't you to say: in fact we don't know what to say, because if we did we couldn't So there are thought crimes/memes which we can't think about even in this age of the anonymous Internet? When people have been writing (and even implemented) revolutionary dogma for centuries?! The main problems with conspiracies is that they have to be secret. Nothing secret is ever efficient and works well. But certainly, some groups are illegal -- and should be. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and similar groups which murder civilians. The word "terrorism" do have a serious definition.
delackner 17y ago
OK, here: The elected and un-elected leadership of the United States practice terrorism and illegal manipulation of other countries in the world, and the US' own citizens, for the purpose of maintaining and increasing control over markets and natural resources. They have no real interest in the freedom of their citizens or of other peoples. Further, the government works primarily for the benefit of moneyed interests and has been thus since the founding of the republic. These are statements that I think you would agree "undermine the [US'] leaders." But we have the right to say them, and it is something we are very proud of. Almost all countries claim to offer this right to their citizens, but the US actually does grant it and protect it.