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Hardly perfect. 1. This is a story about Norway gifting Finland a bit of land as a celebration of Finland's full declaration of independence (I think from Russ

by sheraz 11y ago

Hardly perfect. 1. This is a story about Norway gifting Finland a bit of land as a celebration of Finland's full declaration of independence (I think from Russia). Sweden does not factor into it. 2. Scandinavian countries are also inhabited by humans, which means there are all the same "isms" and problems like everywhere else. It is just distributed a little differently.

Numberwang 11y ago
Im sitting on the station in Malmö after being abroad for a year. It's perfect.
- sheraz 11y ago
  I'd like to think there is sarcasm in this, but since you forgot to end it /sarcasm, I'll bite.... - Bombings and grenades this summer - https://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/ - A long history of Anti-semitism (not unique to Sweden) - Anti-Muslim hate-crime (again, not unique to Sweden) - Anti-Roma (Gypsy) hate-crime - (again...you get the point) Malmö is one of the many powder kegs across Europe. You have entire neighborhoods where Fire, emergency, and law enforcement will not go ("no-go zones") [1] Sweden is not perfect. Malmo is no perfect. No place is perfect. To say so is a lie, or you have your head in the sand. [1] - http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/ http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-officia...
  - kryptiskt 11y ago
    There most certainly is no neighborhood in Malmö where law enforcement won't go. There was a time when firefighters wanted to be escorted by police when going to Rosengård because they were harassed.
    - sheraz 11y ago
      Harassment suggests they were heckled the way one might heckle at sports games. Emergency services were attacked with stones and bottles. ATTACKED.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
    Looking at that person's other posts, they're clearly a nutball.
  - ZoF 11y ago
    I'm curious why you actually thought he meant it was _literally_ perfect? It was clearly meant as an idiomatic expression. Why not mention rapes, murders and crimes that aren't targeting a specific group? They're all valid reasons for you to object to the statement that some place is literally perfect. Your objection is entirely out touch with the parent posts intended meaning.
    - sheraz 11y ago
      Hence, my comment about sarcasm. Just what do you think was the intended meaning when someone calls a city perfect?
      - ZoF 11y ago
        About the same meaning I would derive from a native of anywhere saying their home-town/city/country is 'amazing/perfect/etc...' That they're(almost always) expressing a sentiment not making a statement of fact. Can you name many situations where 'perfect' is actually used literally? That cake was perfect? I think not; you're completely ignoring the non-locally-sourced flour. I'm not trying to say your point isn't valid it just seemed out of place and tangentially related to the topic.
        sheraz 11y ago
        Point taken. And agreed -- this thread is way off from Norway handing Finland a mountain... Have an upvote form me :-)
scrollaway 11y ago
I've lived and travelled to many places across Europe. Most recently I lived in Stockholm for a year and it was damn near perfect. By far the best place I've ever stayed at. Of course it has problems. Problems are not something you can get rid of, they are just a manifestation of the worst things in your environment (There is always a "worst" of everything, even an utopia). Sweden's problems are almost all the definition of "first world". I'm in Athens now and I miss that country.
- sheraz 11y ago
  Again, here we are with that word, "perfect." Sorry, but to say that Sweden's problems are largely "first world" is incredibly naive. Sweden is really struggling to find the resources to adequately deal with accepting, feeding, and housing all the refugees streaming in. Hardly a frist-world problem. Sweden's security services are under immense pressure to identify, monitor, and stop any terror threats from within, and do it under strict privacy laws. Hardly a first-world problem. Sweden's social welfare system cannot possible sustain all of the support given internally and externally to her borders. It was never designed to accomodate and support thousands of refugees who cannot immediately (or ever) pay back into the system.
  - littletimmy 11y ago
    The refugee problem seems external, rather than internal. Kudos to Sweden that they are being a humane country and offering refugees help, even if it comes at a slight personal cost to the Swedish people. I wish all countries were so kind.
    - deleted 11y ago
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    - sheraz 11y ago
      Sure, refugees are an external problem right up until they show up on your doorstep, and you are then legally obligated to coordinate and provide housing, healthcare, and assistance on an unprecedented scale that Sweden has never seen. And do all of this under the direction of Sweden's track record of failed integration policies [1] Easy-peasy indeed... [1] - http://www.thelocal.se/20090923/22244 http://www.thelocal.se/20090923/22244
maus42 11y ago
>Norway gifting *a bunch of Norwegians campaigning for It's a nice gesture, but thus far the official Norway has at least not embraced the idea.

by sheraz 11y ago

Numberwang 11y ago

Im sitting on the station in Malmö after being abroad for a year. It's perfect.

sheraz 11y ago
I'd like to think there is sarcasm in this, but since you forgot to end it /sarcasm, I'll bite.... - Bombings and grenades this summer - https://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/ - A long history of Anti-semitism (not unique to Sweden) - Anti-Muslim hate-crime (again, not unique to Sweden) - Anti-Roma (Gypsy) hate-crime - (again...you get the point) Malmö is one of the many powder kegs across Europe. You have entire neighborhoods where Fire, emergency, and law enforcement will not go ("no-go zones") [1] Sweden is not perfect. Malmo is no perfect. No place is perfect. To say so is a lie, or you have your head in the sand. [1] - http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/ http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-officia...
- kryptiskt 11y ago
  There most certainly is no neighborhood in Malmö where law enforcement won't go. There was a time when firefighters wanted to be escorted by police when going to Rosengård because they were harassed.
  - sheraz 11y ago
    Harassment suggests they were heckled the way one might heckle at sports games. Emergency services were attacked with stones and bottles. ATTACKED.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
  Looking at that person's other posts, they're clearly a nutball.
- ZoF 11y ago
  I'm curious why you actually thought he meant it was _literally_ perfect? It was clearly meant as an idiomatic expression. Why not mention rapes, murders and crimes that aren't targeting a specific group? They're all valid reasons for you to object to the statement that some place is literally perfect. Your objection is entirely out touch with the parent posts intended meaning.
  - sheraz 11y ago
    Hence, my comment about sarcasm. Just what do you think was the intended meaning when someone calls a city perfect?
    - ZoF 11y ago
      About the same meaning I would derive from a native of anywhere saying their home-town/city/country is 'amazing/perfect/etc...' That they're(almost always) expressing a sentiment not making a statement of fact. Can you name many situations where 'perfect' is actually used literally? That cake was perfect? I think not; you're completely ignoring the non-locally-sourced flour. I'm not trying to say your point isn't valid it just seemed out of place and tangentially related to the topic.
      - sheraz 11y ago
        Point taken. And agreed -- this thread is way off from Norway handing Finland a mountain... Have an upvote form me :-)

scrollaway 11y ago

I've lived and travelled to many places across Europe. Most recently I lived in Stockholm for a year and it was damn near perfect. By far the best place I've ever stayed at. Of course it has problems. Problems are not something you can get rid of, they are just a manifestation of the worst things in your environment (There is always a "worst" of everything, even an utopia). Sweden's problems are almost all the definition of "first world". I'm in Athens now and I miss that country.

sheraz 11y ago
Again, here we are with that word, "perfect." Sorry, but to say that Sweden's problems are largely "first world" is incredibly naive. Sweden is really struggling to find the resources to adequately deal with accepting, feeding, and housing all the refugees streaming in. Hardly a frist-world problem. Sweden's security services are under immense pressure to identify, monitor, and stop any terror threats from within, and do it under strict privacy laws. Hardly a first-world problem. Sweden's social welfare system cannot possible sustain all of the support given internally and externally to her borders. It was never designed to accomodate and support thousands of refugees who cannot immediately (or ever) pay back into the system.
- littletimmy 11y ago
  The refugee problem seems external, rather than internal. Kudos to Sweden that they are being a humane country and offering refugees help, even if it comes at a slight personal cost to the Swedish people. I wish all countries were so kind.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
  - sheraz 11y ago
    Sure, refugees are an external problem right up until they show up on your doorstep, and you are then legally obligated to coordinate and provide housing, healthcare, and assistance on an unprecedented scale that Sweden has never seen. And do all of this under the direction of Sweden's track record of failed integration policies [1] Easy-peasy indeed... [1] - http://www.thelocal.se/20090923/22244 http://www.thelocal.se/20090923/22244

maus42 11y ago

>Norway gifting *a bunch of Norwegians campaigning for It's a nice gesture, but thus far the official Norway has at least not embraced the idea.