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Is that a big deal? after all, it's common knowledge that the US spy routinely on their allies [1,2]. Nobody really seemed to care at the time. [1] http://www.

Is that a big deal? after all, it's common knowledge that the US spy routinely on their allies [1,2]. Nobody really seemed to care at the time. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-ge... [2] https://wikileaks.org/nsa-france/ https://wikileaks.org/nsa-france/

pekk 11y ago
You can't consistently maintain that real or alleged spying by NSA is a big bad deal, but the same thing happening to the US isn't a big bad deal, unless you just make a special exception for the sake of anti-Americanism.
singiht34-02 11y ago
I think the undercurrent that in implied is that there are countries like China who don't play by the normal rules of international espionage. Since they are so tightly coupled to Chinese industry they abuse their resources and power to feed domestic industry. To most people this seems very scummy. Are there examples the other way? Where the US stole secrets and then handed them off to domestic companies? Maybe in defense? but otherwise?
- janekm 11y ago
  Yes, there have been such allegations. A recent case involves Airbus who allege industrial espionage in the context of revelations that the German BND helped the NSA spy on European businesses: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140
  - staunch 11y ago
    Your link does not support your confirmation. > Leaks from a secret BND document suggest that its monitoring station at Bad Aibling checked whether European companies were breaking trade embargos after a request from the NSA. If all the NSA did was look for illegal (off the books) sales of military equipment, that's exactly the kind of thing that's easy to justify ethically. If they were taking Airbus data and funneling it to Boeing, that would be highly unethical. Is there any evidence the NSA has ever been motivated by economic espionage?
    - janekm 11y ago
      Indeed, the link only confirms that he allegation had been made; whether it has ever occurred is rather harder to confirm, of course.
- lostlogin 11y ago
  The whole scandal with Brazil was a bit of a problem too. Although the Petrobras incident is a little fuzzy (the way they like it) as it's very closely tied to the state. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-braz...
prodmerc 11y ago
Well, it is an American news outlet. I'm pretty sure media outlets in other countries report stuff from that country's point of view...

pekk 11y ago

You can't consistently maintain that real or alleged spying by NSA is a big bad deal, but the same thing happening to the US isn't a big bad deal, unless you just make a special exception for the sake of anti-Americanism.

singiht34-02 11y ago

I think the undercurrent that in implied is that there are countries like China who don't play by the normal rules of international espionage. Since they are so tightly coupled to Chinese industry they abuse their resources and power to feed domestic industry. To most people this seems very scummy. Are there examples the other way? Where the US stole secrets and then handed them off to domestic companies? Maybe in defense? but otherwise?

janekm 11y ago
Yes, there have been such allegations. A recent case involves Airbus who allege industrial espionage in the context of revelations that the German BND helped the NSA spy on European businesses: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140
- staunch 11y ago
  Your link does not support your confirmation. > Leaks from a secret BND document suggest that its monitoring station at Bad Aibling checked whether European companies were breaking trade embargos after a request from the NSA. If all the NSA did was look for illegal (off the books) sales of military equipment, that's exactly the kind of thing that's easy to justify ethically. If they were taking Airbus data and funneling it to Boeing, that would be highly unethical. Is there any evidence the NSA has ever been motivated by economic espionage?
  - janekm 11y ago
    Indeed, the link only confirms that he allegation had been made; whether it has ever occurred is rather harder to confirm, of course.
lostlogin 11y ago
The whole scandal with Brazil was a bit of a problem too. Although the Petrobras incident is a little fuzzy (the way they like it) as it's very closely tied to the state. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-braz...

prodmerc 11y ago

Well, it is an American news outlet. I'm pretty sure media outlets in other countries report stuff from that country's point of view...