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I'm honestly starting to think sander's is our last hope -- I was on the fence until seeing this. Meanwhile he is getting undermined by the media.

Donzo 11y ago
Not so on social media, however, which makes this election really interesting: we'll be able to see to what extent the old guard (broadcast news networks) reigns supreme.
- chippy 11y ago
  and to what extent the twittering classes does or does not really effect things.
bradleyankrom 11y ago
Not to mention the DNC.
- ChrisAntaki 11y ago
  "Remove Debbie Wasserman Schultz as DNC Chair" http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-debbie-wasserman?source=s.tw&r_by=14696943 http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-debbie-wasserman?sou... 40,491 signatures so far
bratsche 11y ago
There's a group of tech volunteers working on apps to try to help out his campaign. I'm sure they would welcome any additional help from HN people.
- robotkilla 11y ago
  links? i just signed an acceptance letter for a FT job but would be willing to help remotely if possible.
  - danielnaab 11y ago
    There are a lot of people building their own projects, as well as volunteering time to official campaign projects. https://coders.forsanders.com/ https://coders.forsanders.com/
steve19 11y ago
When do I remember hearing that before.... back in 2008. Everyone was saying the exact same thing. If you really expect Sanders will be any different if he gets in power, you are kidding yourself. If anything he is being undermined by the DNC, not the media. The DNC should be ashamed of themselves for thier blatant support of one candidate over the other(s) .
- RobertoG 11y ago
  No candidate is going to be perfect. Even if there was an hypothetically perfect candidate (for any definition of perfect) he/she will have to compromise when in power. The thing with Sanders, I think, is that he has been around for so long and he has been so consistent, that you can know what he think about most issues: https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.VnWKsF42xC0 https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sande...
- robotkilla 11y ago
  > If you really expect Sanders will be any different if he gets in power, you are kidding yourself i don't recall obama being an actual socialist or talking about breaking up the banks. i do recall obama being a dem and giving the banks bailout money though. > he is being undermined by the DNC agreed.
- morgante 11y ago
  I do expect Sanders to be different because he has a 20 year record of being incredibly consistent in his political views. His ideological framework hasn't changed in the entire time I've been following him (I'm from Vermont) and that includes going from mayor of Burlington up through US Senator. He's also not saying things to get elected. He'd have a much better chance if he dropped some of his more socialist rhetoric, but he genuinely believes it.
chongli 11y ago
Assume he wins and becomes president, what could he do? Judging by the way congress operates right now, not much.
- mahranch 11y ago
  > he wins and becomes president, what could he do? Yeah, this whole thing about electing the right president who will somehow magically change all the wrongs of the world overnight is a fairy tale. If someone like Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders got into office, a little would be different, especially with regards to foreign policy, but without a pliable or cooperative congress, literally nothing would get done. It would be a waste of 4 years. People overestimate just how much power the president has. Even with executive orders, there's only so much a president can do within the law. If you want universal health care, or MJ legalized, or CISA repealed, a president can't do that by himself, that requires congress. Presidential elections are a red herring I'm afraid, and that's no exaggeration. If you want true and real governmental change, it requires you to vote the right congressmen and senators into the government.
  - jklinger410 11y ago
    >Yeah, this whole thing about electing the right president who will somehow magically change all the wrongs of the world overnight is a fairy tale. I'm not sure who you guys think you're arguing against. I understand why you feel like you're correct in naysaying and feeling like you're adding something to the conversation by being contrary. Unfortunately you're setting up a bit of a strawman, as if people who support Bernie feel like somehow he's going to magically change everything by himself. Bernie himself said that will not be the case, and you're mostly just arguing people who have little understanding of government, who honestly aren't even taking part in this conversation. Bernie is probably the most likely candidate to promote the idea in your comment anyway, as he's the only candidate who I feel truly wants to change the system. So even in regards to your opinion your only real candidate is Bernie. He's the only one talking about political revolution, which is what would be necessary for real change.
    - 11y ago

Donzo 11y ago

Not so on social media, however, which makes this election really interesting: we'll be able to see to what extent the old guard (broadcast news networks) reigns supreme.

chippy 11y ago
and to what extent the twittering classes does or does not really effect things.

bradleyankrom 11y ago

Not to mention the DNC.

ChrisAntaki 11y ago
"Remove Debbie Wasserman Schultz as DNC Chair" http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-debbie-wasserman?source=s.tw&r_by=14696943 http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-debbie-wasserman?sou... 40,491 signatures so far

bratsche 11y ago

There's a group of tech volunteers working on apps to try to help out his campaign. I'm sure they would welcome any additional help from HN people.

robotkilla 11y ago
links? i just signed an acceptance letter for a FT job but would be willing to help remotely if possible.
- danielnaab 11y ago
  There are a lot of people building their own projects, as well as volunteering time to official campaign projects. https://coders.forsanders.com/ https://coders.forsanders.com/

steve19 11y ago

When do I remember hearing that before.... back in 2008. Everyone was saying the exact same thing. If you really expect Sanders will be any different if he gets in power, you are kidding yourself. If anything he is being undermined by the DNC, not the media. The DNC should be ashamed of themselves for thier blatant support of one candidate over the other(s) .

RobertoG 11y ago
No candidate is going to be perfect. Even if there was an hypothetically perfect candidate (for any definition of perfect) he/she will have to compromise when in power. The thing with Sanders, I think, is that he has been around for so long and he has been so consistent, that you can know what he think about most issues: https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.VnWKsF42xC0 https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sande...
robotkilla 11y ago
> If you really expect Sanders will be any different if he gets in power, you are kidding yourself i don't recall obama being an actual socialist or talking about breaking up the banks. i do recall obama being a dem and giving the banks bailout money though. > he is being undermined by the DNC agreed.
morgante 11y ago
I do expect Sanders to be different because he has a 20 year record of being incredibly consistent in his political views. His ideological framework hasn't changed in the entire time I've been following him (I'm from Vermont) and that includes going from mayor of Burlington up through US Senator. He's also not saying things to get elected. He'd have a much better chance if he dropped some of his more socialist rhetoric, but he genuinely believes it.

chongli 11y ago

Assume he wins and becomes president, what could he do? Judging by the way congress operates right now, not much.

mahranch 11y ago
> he wins and becomes president, what could he do? Yeah, this whole thing about electing the right president who will somehow magically change all the wrongs of the world overnight is a fairy tale. If someone like Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders got into office, a little would be different, especially with regards to foreign policy, but without a pliable or cooperative congress, literally nothing would get done. It would be a waste of 4 years. People overestimate just how much power the president has. Even with executive orders, there's only so much a president can do within the law. If you want universal health care, or MJ legalized, or CISA repealed, a president can't do that by himself, that requires congress. Presidential elections are a red herring I'm afraid, and that's no exaggeration. If you want true and real governmental change, it requires you to vote the right congressmen and senators into the government.
- jklinger410 11y ago
  >Yeah, this whole thing about electing the right president who will somehow magically change all the wrongs of the world overnight is a fairy tale. I'm not sure who you guys think you're arguing against. I understand why you feel like you're correct in naysaying and feeling like you're adding something to the conversation by being contrary. Unfortunately you're setting up a bit of a strawman, as if people who support Bernie feel like somehow he's going to magically change everything by himself. Bernie himself said that will not be the case, and you're mostly just arguing people who have little understanding of government, who honestly aren't even taking part in this conversation. Bernie is probably the most likely candidate to promote the idea in your comment anyway, as he's the only candidate who I feel truly wants to change the system. So even in regards to your opinion your only real candidate is Bernie. He's the only one talking about political revolution, which is what would be necessary for real change.
  - 11y ago