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Ha - if it was in 2014, I was probably in the office! I don't think it's hit version 1.0 yet, which would explain its rough edges. I find it interesting that i

Ha - if it was in 2014, I was probably in the office! I don't think it's hit version 1.0 yet, which would explain its rough edges. I find it interesting that it shares a lot of philosophies with Bosh.

jacques_chester 11y ago
Alex Suraci was working less than 50M from Dmitry Kalinin when Concourse was born and put to work on the Diego team. So in a way it comes as no surprise.
- twic 11y ago
  Both of the founders were Cloud Foundry developers, and so had undergone thorough BOSH indoctrination. You can absolutely see that Concourse comes from the same philosophy as Cloud Foundry itself; it's virtually an answer to the question "what would a PaaS for CI look like"?
  - EngineerBetter 11y ago
    Agreed on both points. I find it interesting that the properties of Bosh are clear strengths when present in other systems; if what Bosh does is so intrinsically good, why didn't it take over the world? Because it's a PITA to use. That's meant more of a musing than a passive-aggressive complaint BTW. As someone that's scaled the "Bosh learning cliff" I'd like to see it used more widely.
    - twic 11y ago
      How about taking what's good about BOSH and carrying that forward into something better? What could be added to Terraform or PaaSTA or something to make it as good as BOSH?
      - helloiamaperson 11y ago
        Terraform's model (local state files) is not something that works well, in my opinion. Since AWS doesn't know that you want some operations done "transactionally" (like with CloudFormation), you can easily end up with a half built env that needs to be cleaned up. PaaSTa is more of a CF competitor, as far as I know, not really at the same abstraction level. I think that it would be a lot easier to clean up the UX/marketing of BOSH than doing the opposite.
        jacques_chester 11y ago
        Have you looked at bosh.io? It's being actively worked on by our designers and engineers, I bet that feedback would be welcome. If you email me I can put you in touch with them.
twic 11y ago
I've just bothered to chase pointers to find out who you are, and yes, indeed you were. We overlapped by the best part of a year, i think, but never had much cause to interact.

jacques_chester 11y ago

Alex Suraci was working less than 50M from Dmitry Kalinin when Concourse was born and put to work on the Diego team. So in a way it comes as no surprise.

twic 11y ago
Both of the founders were Cloud Foundry developers, and so had undergone thorough BOSH indoctrination. You can absolutely see that Concourse comes from the same philosophy as Cloud Foundry itself; it's virtually an answer to the question "what would a PaaS for CI look like"?
- EngineerBetter 11y ago
  Agreed on both points. I find it interesting that the properties of Bosh are clear strengths when present in other systems; if what Bosh does is so intrinsically good, why didn't it take over the world? Because it's a PITA to use. That's meant more of a musing than a passive-aggressive complaint BTW. As someone that's scaled the "Bosh learning cliff" I'd like to see it used more widely.
  - twic 11y ago
    How about taking what's good about BOSH and carrying that forward into something better? What could be added to Terraform or PaaSTA or something to make it as good as BOSH?
    - helloiamaperson 11y ago
      Terraform's model (local state files) is not something that works well, in my opinion. Since AWS doesn't know that you want some operations done "transactionally" (like with CloudFormation), you can easily end up with a half built env that needs to be cleaned up. PaaSTa is more of a CF competitor, as far as I know, not really at the same abstraction level. I think that it would be a lot easier to clean up the UX/marketing of BOSH than doing the opposite.
      - jacques_chester 11y ago
        Have you looked at bosh.io? It's being actively worked on by our designers and engineers, I bet that feedback would be welcome. If you email me I can put you in touch with them.

twic 11y ago

I've just bothered to chase pointers to find out who you are, and yes, indeed you were. We overlapped by the best part of a year, i think, but never had much cause to interact.