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For a bit of background: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10739875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10739875 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=

For a bit of background: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10739875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10739875 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10741827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10741827 I've been a Product Hunt user from their initial HN launch and am still a big fan. They've made a very important impact in the tech scene. Open Hunt is an honest attempt at a community run alternative, tailored to giving / getting feedback, and finding very early stage stuff. Would love your feedback!

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lewisl9029 11y ago
I'd personally like to see other account options than Twitter (specifically email-based accounts).
- escobar 11y ago
  Agreed. Initially, I canceled the OAuth request because I thought I had missed other options, but really Twitter is the only option. I don't love that it wants to read all of my tweets. Would love to see more integrations (and I'm sure they're coming) :)
  - stanleydrew 11y ago
    Also there's a redirect through something called https://oauth.io https://oauth.io which I've never heard of so now I'm thinking that oauth.io has some kind of access to my Twitter account rather than openhunt.co?
    - jacquesc 11y ago
      We use oauth.io as a hosted service to handle to interchange. I've been using them for years and believe them to be trustworthy. It probably makes sense to switch off them in due time (since it's just one more dependency). But it allowed us to launch fast. I'll create a github issue to track this.
andrewstuart 11y ago
Did Ryan Hoover ever respond to all the negative sentiment about PH?
- minimaxir 11y ago
  No. The only comment is a "Sorry": https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/676926628979720192 https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/676926628979720192 Which is to be expected, "vocal minority" and all.
  - bachmeier 11y ago
    That doesn't read to me as "Sorry". It's more "oh well".
    - OJFord 11y ago
      Agreed - that sounds more like regret that it changes the replied-to tweet's author's perception, than it is any form of regret that Product Hunt works that way.
    - whatever_dude 11y ago
      It's the classical "I'm sorry you feel like this".
minimaxir 11y ago
As the chief complainer about Product Hunt, I appreciate that transparency is out front-and-center, with clear documentation on how your service aims to avoid the same pitfalls. That being said, it reminds me of another service with the same goals: Ello, who also said they were not going to take venture capital. We know how that turned out. I mentioned in the threads that a Hacker News/PH competitor may not be better mechanically. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done there, particularly with ranking algorithms.
- jacquesc 11y ago
  If it gets to the point where it needs revenue to handle the hosting bill, it'll be organized as a non-profit and the community will decide how to handle things (via ads or whatever else).
  - nl 11y ago
    Personally - as feedback - I don't have problems with it being a for profit company.
- fweespeech 11y ago
  > There's still a lot of work that needs to be done there, particularly with ranking algorithms. Well, that is part of the value of a community/open source project, is the fact you can experiment/test various ranking algorithms rather openly without the assumption of malice/rigging. Tbh, I think the OP has the right idea [in general] but the wrong execution. [e.g. The jab at PH in the name, rebranding after the initial influx of traffic, no clear strategy for experimentation with ranking algorithms in a crowd/open sourced manner, private comments] I'm curious how quick they'll note the issues and address them. I considered building something but I keep running into RL related time constraints/problems that make it impossible for me to commit time before Jan. xD
- drumdance 11y ago
  I don't recall Ello saying they wouldn't take capital. Do you have a link to where they said that? They did say they would not monetize users via privacy invasion like Facebook.
Keats 11y ago
Only twitter account means I can't login/signup (I don't have a twitter account).
- giarc 11y ago
  Then sign up for one then. Or don't sign up for OpenHunt. It's really that easy.
  - Keats 11y ago
    My bad, I thought they were looking for feedback.
    - jacquesc 11y ago
      we are! much appreciated twitter only login is going away soon
    - giarc 11y ago
      Sorry - reread your post. On first read it came off as one of those people that don't have facebook because it's 'cool' not to have facebook (or so they think).
  - knicholes 11y ago
    Why twitter, though? It doesn't look like twitter is doing too well recently.
  - funkyy 11y ago
    Or instead of forcing users add Facebook, Google and LinkedIn if you want for people to use social login. You can always use one of the social login api like OneAll.
feedjoelpie 11y ago
I've heard rumblings that people have been posting their competitors to Product Hunt before they're ready, thereby sabotaging their launch plans. What do you think can be done to avoid similar bad behavior on OpenHunt?

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lewisl9029 11y ago

I'd personally like to see other account options than Twitter (specifically email-based accounts).

escobar 11y ago
Agreed. Initially, I canceled the OAuth request because I thought I had missed other options, but really Twitter is the only option. I don't love that it wants to read all of my tweets. Would love to see more integrations (and I'm sure they're coming) :)
- stanleydrew 11y ago
  Also there's a redirect through something called https://oauth.io https://oauth.io which I've never heard of so now I'm thinking that oauth.io has some kind of access to my Twitter account rather than openhunt.co?
  - jacquesc 11y ago
    We use oauth.io as a hosted service to handle to interchange. I've been using them for years and believe them to be trustworthy. It probably makes sense to switch off them in due time (since it's just one more dependency). But it allowed us to launch fast. I'll create a github issue to track this.

andrewstuart 11y ago

Did Ryan Hoover ever respond to all the negative sentiment about PH?

minimaxir 11y ago
No. The only comment is a "Sorry": https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/676926628979720192 https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/676926628979720192 Which is to be expected, "vocal minority" and all.
- bachmeier 11y ago
  That doesn't read to me as "Sorry". It's more "oh well".
  - OJFord 11y ago
    Agreed - that sounds more like regret that it changes the replied-to tweet's author's perception, than it is any form of regret that Product Hunt works that way.
  - whatever_dude 11y ago
    It's the classical "I'm sorry you feel like this".

minimaxir 11y ago

As the chief complainer about Product Hunt, I appreciate that transparency is out front-and-center, with clear documentation on how your service aims to avoid the same pitfalls. That being said, it reminds me of another service with the same goals: Ello, who also said they were not going to take venture capital. We know how that turned out. I mentioned in the threads that a Hacker News/PH competitor may not be better mechanically. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done there, particularly with ranking algorithms.

jacquesc 11y ago
If it gets to the point where it needs revenue to handle the hosting bill, it'll be organized as a non-profit and the community will decide how to handle things (via ads or whatever else).
- nl 11y ago
  Personally - as feedback - I don't have problems with it being a for profit company.
fweespeech 11y ago
> There's still a lot of work that needs to be done there, particularly with ranking algorithms. Well, that is part of the value of a community/open source project, is the fact you can experiment/test various ranking algorithms rather openly without the assumption of malice/rigging. Tbh, I think the OP has the right idea [in general] but the wrong execution. [e.g. The jab at PH in the name, rebranding after the initial influx of traffic, no clear strategy for experimentation with ranking algorithms in a crowd/open sourced manner, private comments] I'm curious how quick they'll note the issues and address them. I considered building something but I keep running into RL related time constraints/problems that make it impossible for me to commit time before Jan. xD
drumdance 11y ago
I don't recall Ello saying they wouldn't take capital. Do you have a link to where they said that? They did say they would not monetize users via privacy invasion like Facebook.

Keats 11y ago

Only twitter account means I can't login/signup (I don't have a twitter account).

giarc 11y ago
Then sign up for one then. Or don't sign up for OpenHunt. It's really that easy.
- Keats 11y ago
  My bad, I thought they were looking for feedback.
  - jacquesc 11y ago
    we are! much appreciated twitter only login is going away soon
  - giarc 11y ago
    Sorry - reread your post. On first read it came off as one of those people that don't have facebook because it's 'cool' not to have facebook (or so they think).
- knicholes 11y ago
  Why twitter, though? It doesn't look like twitter is doing too well recently.
- funkyy 11y ago
  Or instead of forcing users add Facebook, Google and LinkedIn if you want for people to use social login. You can always use one of the social login api like OneAll.

feedjoelpie 11y ago

I've heard rumblings that people have been posting their competitors to Product Hunt before they're ready, thereby sabotaging their launch plans. What do you think can be done to avoid similar bad behavior on OpenHunt?