> Ideally it would be nice to enhance all window managers and somehow make this possible in a different way. You'd still have practical problems in that the the

> Ideally it would be nice to enhance all window managers and somehow make this possible in a different way. You'd still have practical problems in that the theme of the window manager won't align with your toolkit though. > But I prefer actual progress instead of the theoretical ideal solution that's way more work and involves co-operation with everyone. You know what? Let's start by not making these silly thick titlebars, and not making these silly assumptions that everyone uses the library / framework of the day. Because these are actually idealistic and will never work out in practice. GTK hasn't learned from the Windows 95 style GUIs (don't know any names) which never had any space problems in the first place. But I think it has a lot to do with portability to netbooks / tablets / smartphones in that they drove this development (look at Windows 8).