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On top of this, Qt 5 is a browser engine. Kind of. That is what QML is meant to be. Its application javascript done right, rather than the mutant horrible diast

by zanny 11y ago

On top of this, Qt 5 is a browser engine. Kind of. That is what QML is meant to be. Its application javascript done right, rather than the mutant horrible diaster that is web standards. If you write a full application in QML today and experience how amazingly easy it is to do fancy visual effects since the whole thing is hardware accelerated you will never be able to develop web app code again without desperately praying for sweet release. I dream of the day QML is standardized as webapp tech in browser standards, so we can have cross platform native applications over the browser that use a reasonable programming paradigm rather than trying to turn markup documents into mission critical applications.

jalfresi 11y ago
Couldn't agree more. I've used QML for a Go app and the sanity prevalent in QML vs. web standards is like night and day. I actually don't want anything more to do with web front end development - leave all the react/flux/angular nonsense to the JS package manager of the month crowd.
- gnufied 11y ago
  So I have used QML plenty too and it isn't all that great honestly. In fact in many ways it is backwards. For example, all Qt widgets instantiated via C++ can be styled using an external stylesheet, but not so for QML stuff. All the margin, padding you have to specify inline in the code. If that is not going backwards, I dunno what is.
  - jalfresi 11y ago
    Ah well that may be an area I've yet to encounter - I've used a third-party set of qml widgets styled to adhere to googles material visual vocab, so it has been trivial to style up applications that look and act fantastic. Though I will say that the inability to expose a go strict/object as a model is quite frustrating; there's lots of back and forth mapping your go objects to update your qml models. It would be much nicer if it was easy to implement as adhering to an interface or embedding an existing type :(
  - zanny 11y ago
    You can style Qt Quick Controls, which are the QtWidgets equivalent objects in QML. http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquickcontrolsstyles-index.html http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquickcontrolsstyles-index.html This is how many new apps are coming out using QML and doing their own custom UI theming rather than doing system default. It also beats the hell out of CSS by using the same object model relationships you are already using when laying out QML objects. Yes, if you use language primitives like rect's and text's then you have to create either your own theming engine template classes and then use those, or manually manage all the styling per object. But then you are doing it wrong if your project does not warrant that kind of ground up custom craftsmanship.

by zanny 11y ago

jalfresi 11y ago

Couldn't agree more. I've used QML for a Go app and the sanity prevalent in QML vs. web standards is like night and day. I actually don't want anything more to do with web front end development - leave all the react/flux/angular nonsense to the JS package manager of the month crowd.

gnufied 11y ago
So I have used QML plenty too and it isn't all that great honestly. In fact in many ways it is backwards. For example, all Qt widgets instantiated via C++ can be styled using an external stylesheet, but not so for QML stuff. All the margin, padding you have to specify inline in the code. If that is not going backwards, I dunno what is.
- jalfresi 11y ago
  Ah well that may be an area I've yet to encounter - I've used a third-party set of qml widgets styled to adhere to googles material visual vocab, so it has been trivial to style up applications that look and act fantastic. Though I will say that the inability to expose a go strict/object as a model is quite frustrating; there's lots of back and forth mapping your go objects to update your qml models. It would be much nicer if it was easy to implement as adhering to an interface or embedding an existing type :(
- zanny 11y ago
  You can style Qt Quick Controls, which are the QtWidgets equivalent objects in QML. http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquickcontrolsstyles-index.html http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquickcontrolsstyles-index.html This is how many new apps are coming out using QML and doing their own custom UI theming rather than doing system default. It also beats the hell out of CSS by using the same object model relationships you are already using when laying out QML objects. Yes, if you use language primitives like rect's and text's then you have to create either your own theming engine template classes and then use those, or manually manage all the styling per object. But then you are doing it wrong if your project does not warrant that kind of ground up custom craftsmanship.