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Absolutely not absurd. First lets agree that bot all soldiers are good and just and that you can fight for a good cause without using a uniform. That said : >

Absolutely not absurd. First lets agree that bot all soldiers are good and just and that you can fight for a good cause without using a uniform. That said : > essentially mean the same thing - a murderer killing others, for some definition of others. There is a again a massive difference between a good cop ending a life to save others and a brutal robber ending a life to bet away after a robbery.

tomp 11y ago
So who exactly is good in this situation? And please don't say the "soldiers" who invaded Iraq...
- reitanqild 11y ago
  I specified good because we both know not all cops are good. As for the soldiers that invaded Iraq I'd say you should judge the politicians first. I guess a lot of the soldiers felt a lot like the German soldiers that invaded certain European countries and were surprised to be shot at when they were told and many honestly thought they came to protect the locals against an imminent attack from British forces. Edit: and lets not forget that it was lame European pacifist politicians that let Hitler get so far.
  - vezzy-fnord 11y ago
    it was lame European pacifist politicians that let Hitler get so far I'm not sure what gives certain Americans such a knack for injecting Anti-European sentiment. Is this what they're taught in history classes, or something else?
    - reitanqild 11y ago
      I'm very much not American. I have had a huge interest in wartime history when I was younger though which might explain a bit.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >Edit: and lets not forget that it was lame European pacifist politicians that let Hitler get so far. Actually Hitler was much beloved in the United States, right until quite close to the start of the war. Seen as a champion against communism -- like other murderers were later, e.g. Pinochet.
    - reitanqild 11y ago
      That sounds ugly, do you happen to have good sources?
      - coldtea 11y ago
        Here are some quick starters with further pointers: http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corporations-and-hitler/4607 http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corp... http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/americans-for-hitler/ http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/americans-for-hitler/ http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of... http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796 http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
        reitanqild 11y ago
        Thanks!
      - douche 11y ago
        If Hitler didn't have such a hangup on Jews and facilitated monsters like Heydrich and Eichmann and Himmler, he'd be remembered much the same way we remember Napoleon - as someone who united the bulk of Europe for a time, but made the mistake of thinking invading Russia was a good idea. I can rationalize why somebody struggling in the great depression would look up to the apparent prosperity that Hitler seemed to be bringing to Germany prior to the war.
    - reitanqild 11y ago
      Anybody care to tell why coldtea was downvoted? I don't care about stupid points, and these are not mine either but why downvote for no apparent reason?

tomp 11y ago

So who exactly is good in this situation? And please don't say the "soldiers" who invaded Iraq...

reitanqild 11y ago
I specified good because we both know not all cops are good. As for the soldiers that invaded Iraq I'd say you should judge the politicians first. I guess a lot of the soldiers felt a lot like the German soldiers that invaded certain European countries and were surprised to be shot at when they were told and many honestly thought they came to protect the locals against an imminent attack from British forces. Edit: and lets not forget that it was lame European pacifist politicians that let Hitler get so far.
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  it was lame European pacifist politicians that let Hitler get so far I'm not sure what gives certain Americans such a knack for injecting Anti-European sentiment. Is this what they're taught in history classes, or something else?
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    I'm very much not American. I have had a huge interest in wartime history when I was younger though which might explain a bit.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >Edit: and lets not forget that it was lame European pacifist politicians that let Hitler get so far. Actually Hitler was much beloved in the United States, right until quite close to the start of the war. Seen as a champion against communism -- like other murderers were later, e.g. Pinochet.
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    That sounds ugly, do you happen to have good sources?
    - coldtea 11y ago
      Here are some quick starters with further pointers: http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corporations-and-hitler/4607 http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corp... http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/americans-for-hitler/ http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/americans-for-hitler/ http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of... http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796 http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
      - reitanqild 11y ago
        Thanks!
    - douche 11y ago
      If Hitler didn't have such a hangup on Jews and facilitated monsters like Heydrich and Eichmann and Himmler, he'd be remembered much the same way we remember Napoleon - as someone who united the bulk of Europe for a time, but made the mistake of thinking invading Russia was a good idea. I can rationalize why somebody struggling in the great depression would look up to the apparent prosperity that Hitler seemed to be bringing to Germany prior to the war.
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    Anybody care to tell why coldtea was downvoted? I don't care about stupid points, and these are not mine either but why downvote for no apparent reason?