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>everyone understands the honour it's based on That's the terrible thing about corruption. Sometimes it's not based in selfishness, but in honor and generosity
by saint_fiasco 11y ago
>everyone understands the honour it's based on
That's the terrible thing about corruption. Sometimes it's not based in selfishness, but in honor and generosity.
It's just that old ideas about being honorable, a good provider, putting family and friends first and all that, are actually pretty terrible in modern bureaucracies.
- rubidium 11y agoSo is it the modern bureaucracies that are terrible? Or the "old ideas"?
- saint_fiasco 11y agoIt's the mismatch. Honor and reputation work for small high-trust societies where everyone knows each other, but a nation state (not to mention a global economy) requires more robust enforcement mechanisms.
- Balgair 11y agoOn honor: It is that you can't really kick someone out of a nation state. In a smaller society, when you are dishonored, you leave the group. In a nation, you can't really do that, so we have made up ways to do so in a half way, namely prison. Honor doesn't really work in a nation state. Brett McKay has a lot to say about honor in the modern world starting here: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/10/01/manly-honor-part-i-what-is-honor/ http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/10/01/manly-honor-part-i-...
- selimthegrim 11y agoThey took away my family's right to vote in Pakistan. I think you can come up with plenty of ways to kick people out of a nation state short of making them stateless (which I guess isn't kosher after WWII) I suppose another good example would be the Rohingya in Myanmar