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Why do you suspect that?

by burkaman 11y ago

douche 11y ago
Because Europe is a socialist, progressive paradise, full to the brim with sunshine and unicorns! /s
- oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
  Well, it's definitely more socialist than the US, on average, that's true. The United States certainly fares worse than most of the key players in Europe in this regard: http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/rankings/ http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/ran...
- MattRL 11y ago
  Not the other poster, but it seems like some of these issues people are bringing up just don't exist in the UK at least. I think the big problems will generally correlate, but some of the silly ones like excusing swearing around women or holding doors for women (we do that for everybody if I understand the issue correctly), just flat out don't exist. I'd also hazard a guess that we're probably more polite when dealing with coworkers, but that's complete conjecture on my part.
- Chris2048 11y ago
  Relative to the US? Socialism isn't a dirty word in Europe. Not that I linked that to the issue at hand..
Chris2048 11y ago
Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong. :-)
- burkaman 11y ago
  Obviously I can't. I don't live in Europe, I don't have any statistics about sexism in technology, and I doubt such a thing is really quantifiable enough to get useful statistics. As far as Europe being "generally great", I can give you a few articles just to show that Europe has issues too. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/woman-sexism-tech-founders-forum-london-entrepreneurs http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/woman-s... http://valleywag.gawker.com/one-woman-finally-calls-out-a-tech-investor-for-creepy-1623490558 http://valleywag.gawker.com/one-woman-finally-calls-out-a-te... http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstone-tournament/ http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstone-tournament/ https://www.facebook.com/84kids/photos/a.259909824146769.1073741827.186581168146302/404091523061931/?type=1&theater https://www.facebook.com/84kids/photos/a.259909824146769.107... - Job offer saying "I want to decrease margin to your <body>" http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/24191956009/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/24191956009/thi... So, it happens in Europe. I have no idea how often, but these examples didn't take long to find. Anyway, I really was asking an honest question. Why do you suspect that it's worse in the US? Have you experienced more issues in the US, or heard more stories about the US?
  - Chris2048 11y ago
    A bunch of media articles? Being easy to find doesn't mean this happens a lot, it means there's a market for this kind of content. The Guardian 'feminist' section is a good example of this. I'm sure it's already been argued in this thread that maybe there are other factors that result in fewer women in IT. The Guardian article isn't a clear example of sexism in tech. Also, the pc-gamer event has more to it (the original requirement hails from Korea), but in any case isn't related to sexism in the workplace. I'd rather not comment further on the US.

Why do you suspect that?

douche 11y ago

Because Europe is a socialist, progressive paradise, full to the brim with sunshine and unicorns! /s

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
Well, it's definitely more socialist than the US, on average, that's true. The United States certainly fares worse than most of the key players in Europe in this regard: http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/rankings/ http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/ran...
MattRL 11y ago
Not the other poster, but it seems like some of these issues people are bringing up just don't exist in the UK at least. I think the big problems will generally correlate, but some of the silly ones like excusing swearing around women or holding doors for women (we do that for everybody if I understand the issue correctly), just flat out don't exist. I'd also hazard a guess that we're probably more polite when dealing with coworkers, but that's complete conjecture on my part.
Chris2048 11y ago
Relative to the US? Socialism isn't a dirty word in Europe. Not that I linked that to the issue at hand..

Chris2048 11y ago

Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong. :-)

burkaman 11y ago
Obviously I can't. I don't live in Europe, I don't have any statistics about sexism in technology, and I doubt such a thing is really quantifiable enough to get useful statistics. As far as Europe being "generally great", I can give you a few articles just to show that Europe has issues too. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/woman-sexism-tech-founders-forum-london-entrepreneurs http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/woman-s... http://valleywag.gawker.com/one-woman-finally-calls-out-a-tech-investor-for-creepy-1623490558 http://valleywag.gawker.com/one-woman-finally-calls-out-a-te... http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstone-tournament/ http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstone-tournament/ https://www.facebook.com/84kids/photos/a.259909824146769.1073741827.186581168146302/404091523061931/?type=1&theater https://www.facebook.com/84kids/photos/a.259909824146769.107... - Job offer saying "I want to decrease margin to your <body>" http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/24191956009/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/24191956009/thi... So, it happens in Europe. I have no idea how often, but these examples didn't take long to find. Anyway, I really was asking an honest question. Why do you suspect that it's worse in the US? Have you experienced more issues in the US, or heard more stories about the US?
- Chris2048 11y ago
  A bunch of media articles? Being easy to find doesn't mean this happens a lot, it means there's a market for this kind of content. The Guardian 'feminist' section is a good example of this. I'm sure it's already been argued in this thread that maybe there are other factors that result in fewer women in IT. The Guardian article isn't a clear example of sexism in tech. Also, the pc-gamer event has more to it (the original requirement hails from Korea), but in any case isn't related to sexism in the workplace. I'd rather not comment further on the US.