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Genuine question: how exactly would a foreign "internet company" "lobby the Chinese government?" Google literally had to take their ball and leave China at one

Genuine question: how exactly would a foreign "internet company" "lobby the Chinese government?" Google literally had to take their ball and leave China at one point because China wouldn't compromise on a lot of things.

est 11y ago
First of all, The Google case is a long story. It boils down to Google HQ, especially the three founders, didn't grant much power to local team. I remember there was a news report that one of Google China's partners was trying to lobby a chinese official by gifting gifting the latest iPad, Brin heard that and shutdown that operation completely. While I appreciate the moral high ground and respect FCPA laws, the problem is that other US companies and non-US companies, can and successfully exploited this chinese "culture" and influenced policy makers. Secondly, for every hostile Chinese policy, there must be someone benefited. Local Chinese internet giants are actively exploiting every possible way to lobby policies for their own good. US capitals can deploy lobby operations via VIE. Finally, the thing that troubles me is that after all these years, Google is making a coming back to China[1], I mean wtf? seriously? Many hardcore Google fans in China a disguised by this awful act. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/4/9262479/google-china-app-store-possible-fall-launch http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/4/9262479/google-china-app-st...
- mahranch 11y ago
  > It boils down to Google HQ, especially the three founders, didn't grant much power to local team You sure it was that, and not China trying repeatedly (and successfully) stealing Google's source code? (Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/china-google-idUSN0325873820100303 http://www.reuters.com/article/china-google-idUSN03258738201...) And then hacking Google again to commit corporate espionage and steal U.S industrial secrets? (Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/security-experts-china-hacked-google-steal-u-s-industrial-secrets-article-1.195263 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/security-experts-china...) Or any number of other attacks, backstabbing or a lack of cooperation from China's government? Google left China because it just wasn't worth it to them to do business there anymore. Especially when your own research into the security breach shows the host country's government is facilitating the attacks on your company. I'd leave too... Then again, I wouldn't have been there in the first place.
  - est 11y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora > the attacks were "orchestrated by a senior member of the Politburo who typed his own name into the global version of the search engine and found articles criticising him personally This is the aftermath.

est 11y ago

First of all, The Google case is a long story. It boils down to Google HQ, especially the three founders, didn't grant much power to local team. I remember there was a news report that one of Google China's partners was trying to lobby a chinese official by gifting gifting the latest iPad, Brin heard that and shutdown that operation completely. While I appreciate the moral high ground and respect FCPA laws, the problem is that other US companies and non-US companies, can and successfully exploited this chinese "culture" and influenced policy makers. Secondly, for every hostile Chinese policy, there must be someone benefited. Local Chinese internet giants are actively exploiting every possible way to lobby policies for their own good. US capitals can deploy lobby operations via VIE. Finally, the thing that troubles me is that after all these years, Google is making a coming back to China[1], I mean wtf? seriously? Many hardcore Google fans in China a disguised by this awful act. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/4/9262479/google-china-app-store-possible-fall-launch http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/4/9262479/google-china-app-st...

mahranch 11y ago
> It boils down to Google HQ, especially the three founders, didn't grant much power to local team You sure it was that, and not China trying repeatedly (and successfully) stealing Google's source code? (Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/china-google-idUSN0325873820100303 http://www.reuters.com/article/china-google-idUSN03258738201...) And then hacking Google again to commit corporate espionage and steal U.S industrial secrets? (Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/security-experts-china-hacked-google-steal-u-s-industrial-secrets-article-1.195263 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/security-experts-china...) Or any number of other attacks, backstabbing or a lack of cooperation from China's government? Google left China because it just wasn't worth it to them to do business there anymore. Especially when your own research into the security breach shows the host country's government is facilitating the attacks on your company. I'd leave too... Then again, I wouldn't have been there in the first place.
- est 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora > the attacks were "orchestrated by a senior member of the Politburo who typed his own name into the global version of the search engine and found articles criticising him personally This is the aftermath.