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>Like Morgan on the Walking Dead. I do believe Martin is a good guy on the wrong path. Not sure how you can defend that with this floating around. I’m def

>Like Morgan on the Walking Dead. I do believe Martin is a good guy on the wrong path. Not sure how you can defend that with this floating around. I’m definitely the real fucking deal. This is not a fucking act. I threatened that fucking guy and his fucking kids because he fucking took $3 million from me and he ended up paying me back. He called my bluff. He said, “You’re not fucking going to go after me.” [I said] “Yes I motherfucking will.” I had two guys parked outside of his house for six months watching his every fucking move. I can get down. I don’t think RZA knows that. I think he thinks I’m some powder puff white guy CEO that’s got too much money. No. No, no, no. http://mic.com/articles/125657/turing-ceo-martin-shkreli-wanted-to-make-former-colleague-and-family-homeless http://mic.com/articles/125657/turing-ceo-martin-shkreli-wan... http://hiphopdx.com/interviews/id.2825/title.martin-shkreli-plans-to-bail-out-bobby-shmurda http://hiphopdx.com/interviews/id.2825/title.martin-shkreli-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10750928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10750928

Disruptive_Dave 11y ago
I don't know, I take that as a nerdy white dude who desperately seeks attention trying to impress the hip hop heads out there (that kind of talk is extremely common in the rap game).
- foobarqux 11y ago
  I don't know whether he meant that particular statement but if you watch his stream for a while it becomes clear that he is a delusional sociopath.
  - pdeuchler 11y ago
    or, you know, an insulated, spoiled kid. but that would require empathy
    - foobarqux 11y ago
      He grew up poor.
      - pdeuchler 11y ago
        The two are not mutually exclusive, but point taken
    - deleted 11y ago
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- chipsy 11y ago
  I disagree with this form of dismissal as a rule. If someone says something and then says "it was a joke", "it was a game", "I was just making a point", that doesn't cancel out the words and their impact - social atmosphere is not an intellectually pristine environment. You will change the atmosphere by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and once it's done, there is no going back. Likewise, if we dismiss someone's statement because "it was attention seeking", "they didn't really mean it", "something was misunderstood", "it's just part of the culture", that also doesn't cancel it out. There are plenty of young, impressionable folks who latch on to ideas unthinkingly because they cannot take anything seriously at their age and level of maturity. But that is not usually the case with a 32-year-old adult like Shkreli, or people in hiphop culture, or people in actual street gangs. Posturing language exists to make a claim to credibility. It serves a real purpose and is used in an instrumental way, for the purpose of conducting business on the terms of those who use it. The people who exploit this language the best contain in their personality some particular combination of motivation and lack of restraint, enabling their threats to be real to some degree. Shkreli already displays such a personality among multiple facets. There is no reason to deny him the possibility of simply being a bad human being who is in need of careful monitoring by society.
  - pdeuchler 11y ago
    >>> "You will change the atmosphere by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and once it's done, there is no going back." >>> "Posturing language exists to make a claim to credibility. It serves a real purpose and is used in an instrumental way, for the purpose of conducting business on the terms of those who use it." >>> "enabling their threats to be real to some degree." >>> "There is no reason to deny him the possibility of simply being a bad human being who is in need of careful monitoring by society." Do you realize what you're advocating here? Also, referencing "fire in a crowded theater" is usually looked upon as a canary for those who don't know what they're talking about in regards to free speech
    - ossreality 11y ago
      I sure don't? Mind not being cryptic? Are we really going to have this stupid god damn conversation again? Threatening speech is not protected. Acting like a fucking jackass might be protected speech but it doesn't protect you from the forum of public opinion. Ironically, pretty much everytime I see someone whining about free speech, they're talking about it non-governmental contexts... the ultimate irony of you telling others they don't know what they're talking about. If you're a jerk to people and then backpeddle with "it's a joke", you're still a jerk, and you're still not welcome in any space I curate. edit: And now elsewhere you're calling people unempathic for being upset with him. Dude, he might have been raised by narcissists but at some point you have to take responsibility for how you act. He's repeatedly done very unstable, aggressive things. If he's not actually slightly sociopathic, he's a huge asshole and I literally can not for the life of me imagine why you'd be vaguely defending him.
alanh 11y ago
> Not sure how you can defend that with this floating around. I bet the author of the parent comment to yours — like myself — was ignorant of this.
nkrisc 11y ago
Nonetheless, being beat up in jail prior to being convicted of a crime (or after) isn't exactly part of what is supposed to be a fair judicial system. We ought not to punish people for merely being accused of or indicted for a crime. Today it's this asshole, tomorrow it could be you.
- bsder 11y ago
  People have really forgotten that its supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty". Too many people have faith in the judicial system. I wish they would all have to defend themselves, just once, from an unsubstantiated criminal charge. They would find out, very quickly, just how scary the system can be.
  - finance-geek 11y ago
    My lawyer friends tell me it is actually "innocent until proven broke" -- lucky for him, this guy has that area covered.
FireBeyond 11y ago
I read this and don't think of Shkreli as a powder puff white guy, but as someone who probably needs to puff a little less of the white powder.
desireco42 11y ago
Him being of albanian background, I wouldn't be suprised if he was connected to underground as well, specially seing him threatening people like this. This is definitely their style.
- t0mk 11y ago
  The guy was brought up in the US. Deducing that he's connected to underground based on his parent's origin is mental. If anything, the hyper-macho behavior is result of American upbringing. He obviously is somehow obsessed with the Wu-Tang Clan, so I'd guess his life philosophy is a based on a combination of rap gangsters and wall street traders. Both very American. Sorry for oversimplifying.
  - desireco42 11y ago
    Albanian is tribal organization and no wonder he would find role models in asian gangs. I can't know but seems likely to me that he picked up a lot of this at home.

Disruptive_Dave 11y ago

I don't know, I take that as a nerdy white dude who desperately seeks attention trying to impress the hip hop heads out there (that kind of talk is extremely common in the rap game).

foobarqux 11y ago
I don't know whether he meant that particular statement but if you watch his stream for a while it becomes clear that he is a delusional sociopath.
- pdeuchler 11y ago
  or, you know, an insulated, spoiled kid. but that would require empathy
  - foobarqux 11y ago
    He grew up poor.
    - pdeuchler 11y ago
      The two are not mutually exclusive, but point taken
  - deleted 11y ago
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chipsy 11y ago
I disagree with this form of dismissal as a rule. If someone says something and then says "it was a joke", "it was a game", "I was just making a point", that doesn't cancel out the words and their impact - social atmosphere is not an intellectually pristine environment. You will change the atmosphere by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and once it's done, there is no going back. Likewise, if we dismiss someone's statement because "it was attention seeking", "they didn't really mean it", "something was misunderstood", "it's just part of the culture", that also doesn't cancel it out. There are plenty of young, impressionable folks who latch on to ideas unthinkingly because they cannot take anything seriously at their age and level of maturity. But that is not usually the case with a 32-year-old adult like Shkreli, or people in hiphop culture, or people in actual street gangs. Posturing language exists to make a claim to credibility. It serves a real purpose and is used in an instrumental way, for the purpose of conducting business on the terms of those who use it. The people who exploit this language the best contain in their personality some particular combination of motivation and lack of restraint, enabling their threats to be real to some degree. Shkreli already displays such a personality among multiple facets. There is no reason to deny him the possibility of simply being a bad human being who is in need of careful monitoring by society.
- pdeuchler 11y ago
  >>> "You will change the atmosphere by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and once it's done, there is no going back." >>> "Posturing language exists to make a claim to credibility. It serves a real purpose and is used in an instrumental way, for the purpose of conducting business on the terms of those who use it." >>> "enabling their threats to be real to some degree." >>> "There is no reason to deny him the possibility of simply being a bad human being who is in need of careful monitoring by society." Do you realize what you're advocating here? Also, referencing "fire in a crowded theater" is usually looked upon as a canary for those who don't know what they're talking about in regards to free speech
  - ossreality 11y ago
    I sure don't? Mind not being cryptic? Are we really going to have this stupid god damn conversation again? Threatening speech is not protected. Acting like a fucking jackass might be protected speech but it doesn't protect you from the forum of public opinion. Ironically, pretty much everytime I see someone whining about free speech, they're talking about it non-governmental contexts... the ultimate irony of you telling others they don't know what they're talking about. If you're a jerk to people and then backpeddle with "it's a joke", you're still a jerk, and you're still not welcome in any space I curate. edit: And now elsewhere you're calling people unempathic for being upset with him. Dude, he might have been raised by narcissists but at some point you have to take responsibility for how you act. He's repeatedly done very unstable, aggressive things. If he's not actually slightly sociopathic, he's a huge asshole and I literally can not for the life of me imagine why you'd be vaguely defending him.

alanh 11y ago

> Not sure how you can defend that with this floating around. I bet the author of the parent comment to yours — like myself — was ignorant of this.

nkrisc 11y ago

Nonetheless, being beat up in jail prior to being convicted of a crime (or after) isn't exactly part of what is supposed to be a fair judicial system. We ought not to punish people for merely being accused of or indicted for a crime. Today it's this asshole, tomorrow it could be you.

bsder 11y ago
People have really forgotten that its supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty". Too many people have faith in the judicial system. I wish they would all have to defend themselves, just once, from an unsubstantiated criminal charge. They would find out, very quickly, just how scary the system can be.
- finance-geek 11y ago
  My lawyer friends tell me it is actually "innocent until proven broke" -- lucky for him, this guy has that area covered.

FireBeyond 11y ago

I read this and don't think of Shkreli as a powder puff white guy, but as someone who probably needs to puff a little less of the white powder.

desireco42 11y ago

Him being of albanian background, I wouldn't be suprised if he was connected to underground as well, specially seing him threatening people like this. This is definitely their style.

t0mk 11y ago
The guy was brought up in the US. Deducing that he's connected to underground based on his parent's origin is mental. If anything, the hyper-macho behavior is result of American upbringing. He obviously is somehow obsessed with the Wu-Tang Clan, so I'd guess his life philosophy is a based on a combination of rap gangsters and wall street traders. Both very American. Sorry for oversimplifying.
- desireco42 11y ago
  Albanian is tribal organization and no wonder he would find role models in asian gangs. I can't know but seems likely to me that he picked up a lot of this at home.