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Not according to the RSS and UAH satellite tropospheric data sets. The MSU and AMSU sensors have issues, but still have wider coverage and superior accuracy to

Not according to the RSS and UAH satellite tropospheric data sets. The MSU and AMSU sensors have issues, but still have wider coverage and superior accuracy to the ground station data the NOAA is using. Additionally, RSS and UAH are two different teams, with different methodologies, and using different sensors, with corroborating data. http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tlt/tltglhmam_6.0beta4.txt http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tlt/tltglhmam_... [EDIT] I'm absolutely wrong. Both the RSS and UAH data confirm that November is the hottest November in the sattelite record also. Thanks jacobolus for pointing this out (and making sure I stop assuming the NOAA is exaggerating on its hottest month claims.)

jacobolus 11y ago
Here are some of the relevant rows from your second link (hottest values in one of the “GLOBAL” columns). I’m not sure I completely understand what the columns all mean though. Can you elaborate a bit? YEAR MON GLOBAL NH SH TRPC NO.DAYS GLOBAL NH SH TRPC DAYS 1990 11 0.255 0.268 0.242 0.121 0 -0.005 -0.037 0.026 -0.092 0 1998 11 0.121 0.126 0.116 0.111 0 0.484 0.502 0.465 0.733 0 2001 11 0.168 0.203 0.133 0.153 0 0.101 0.108 0.095 0.013 0 2002 11 0.196 0.164 0.227 0.242 0 0.215 0.172 0.257 0.192 0 2005 11 0.198 0.234 0.161 0.209 0 0.197 0.240 0.154 0.293 0 2009 11 0.277 0.203 0.350 0.428 0 0.093 0.091 0.094 0.122 0 2010 11 0.170 0.260 0.080 -0.202 0 0.343 0.405 0.281 0.430 0 2014 11 0.229 0.251 0.207 0.239 0 0.178 0.203 0.153 0.127 0 2015 11 0.330 0.433 0.228 0.525 0 0.248 0.343 0.153 0.314 0 Maybe you can also extract and quote the relevant data from your first link? I’m not sure what I should be looking at.
- merpnderp 11y ago
  Wow, I totally missed that. November was incredibly warm. This will bring up the long term trends significantly. Looks like you excerpted the UAH data which is year, month, global average, Northern Hemisphere, Southern Hemisphere, Tropics, not sure what No.Days is for, and then the 12 month running mean for each of the previous. I'm just so used to the NOAA saying "Warmest month ever" and it being contradicted by the MSU/AMSU data, it didn't even occur to me they were right. Thank you so much for double checking me.
  - Roodgorf 11y ago
    According to that then it looks like the 12 month running average is significantly lower, is that to be expected/in line with predictions/at all statistically relevant? I'm still not sure I actually understand what those numbers represent. EDIT: After jacobolus updated with more columns and checking some other years from the link provided, that does not actually appear to be a trend. My apologies.
  - jacobolus 11y ago
    Here are the 27 hottest months on record, if anyone was curious about comparing to e.g. the hottest october or december: YEAR MON GLOBAL NH SH TRPC 2010 4 0.330 0.449 0.210 0.687 2015 6 0.330 0.410 0.251 0.456 2015 11 0.330 0.433 0.228 0.525 2004 3 0.334 0.490 0.179 0.271 2010 6 0.336 0.432 0.240 0.449 2010 7 0.354 0.520 0.188 0.315 2003 12 0.357 0.462 0.252 0.272 2010 8 0.370 0.518 0.222 0.272 1987 12 0.382 0.573 0.191 0.656 2010 9 0.393 0.356 0.429 0.144 1998 10 0.400 0.484 0.315 0.368 2007 1 0.406 0.484 0.327 0.550 2010 5 0.426 0.611 0.241 0.804 2015 10 0.426 0.638 0.213 0.530 2013 1 0.429 0.345 0.512 0.420 1998 9 0.437 0.506 0.367 0.356 2010 2 0.441 0.392 0.491 0.856 1998 3 0.482 0.509 0.455 1.128 2010 1 0.483 0.553 0.412 0.599 1998 1 0.491 0.402 0.580 1.132 1998 7 0.496 0.617 0.375 0.467 2010 3 0.503 0.560 0.446 0.776 1998 8 0.513 0.482 0.544 0.459 1998 6 0.561 0.572 0.551 0.629 1998 5 0.636 0.566 0.706 0.975 1998 2 0.665 0.688 0.642 1.275 1998 4 0.742 0.852 0.633 1.177 1998 was just incredibly hot throughout (but not in November).

jacobolus 11y ago

Here are some of the relevant rows from your second link (hottest values in one of the “GLOBAL” columns). I’m not sure I completely understand what the columns all mean though. Can you elaborate a bit? YEAR MON GLOBAL NH SH TRPC NO.DAYS GLOBAL NH SH TRPC DAYS 1990 11 0.255 0.268 0.242 0.121 0 -0.005 -0.037 0.026 -0.092 0 1998 11 0.121 0.126 0.116 0.111 0 0.484 0.502 0.465 0.733 0 2001 11 0.168 0.203 0.133 0.153 0 0.101 0.108 0.095 0.013 0 2002 11 0.196 0.164 0.227 0.242 0 0.215 0.172 0.257 0.192 0 2005 11 0.198 0.234 0.161 0.209 0 0.197 0.240 0.154 0.293 0 2009 11 0.277 0.203 0.350 0.428 0 0.093 0.091 0.094 0.122 0 2010 11 0.170 0.260 0.080 -0.202 0 0.343 0.405 0.281 0.430 0 2014 11 0.229 0.251 0.207 0.239 0 0.178 0.203 0.153 0.127 0 2015 11 0.330 0.433 0.228 0.525 0 0.248 0.343 0.153 0.314 0 Maybe you can also extract and quote the relevant data from your first link? I’m not sure what I should be looking at.

merpnderp 11y ago
Wow, I totally missed that. November was incredibly warm. This will bring up the long term trends significantly. Looks like you excerpted the UAH data which is year, month, global average, Northern Hemisphere, Southern Hemisphere, Tropics, not sure what No.Days is for, and then the 12 month running mean for each of the previous. I'm just so used to the NOAA saying "Warmest month ever" and it being contradicted by the MSU/AMSU data, it didn't even occur to me they were right. Thank you so much for double checking me.
- Roodgorf 11y ago
  According to that then it looks like the 12 month running average is significantly lower, is that to be expected/in line with predictions/at all statistically relevant? I'm still not sure I actually understand what those numbers represent. EDIT: After jacobolus updated with more columns and checking some other years from the link provided, that does not actually appear to be a trend. My apologies.
- jacobolus 11y ago
  Here are the 27 hottest months on record, if anyone was curious about comparing to e.g. the hottest october or december: YEAR MON GLOBAL NH SH TRPC 2010 4 0.330 0.449 0.210 0.687 2015 6 0.330 0.410 0.251 0.456 2015 11 0.330 0.433 0.228 0.525 2004 3 0.334 0.490 0.179 0.271 2010 6 0.336 0.432 0.240 0.449 2010 7 0.354 0.520 0.188 0.315 2003 12 0.357 0.462 0.252 0.272 2010 8 0.370 0.518 0.222 0.272 1987 12 0.382 0.573 0.191 0.656 2010 9 0.393 0.356 0.429 0.144 1998 10 0.400 0.484 0.315 0.368 2007 1 0.406 0.484 0.327 0.550 2010 5 0.426 0.611 0.241 0.804 2015 10 0.426 0.638 0.213 0.530 2013 1 0.429 0.345 0.512 0.420 1998 9 0.437 0.506 0.367 0.356 2010 2 0.441 0.392 0.491 0.856 1998 3 0.482 0.509 0.455 1.128 2010 1 0.483 0.553 0.412 0.599 1998 1 0.491 0.402 0.580 1.132 1998 7 0.496 0.617 0.375 0.467 2010 3 0.503 0.560 0.446 0.776 1998 8 0.513 0.482 0.544 0.459 1998 6 0.561 0.572 0.551 0.629 1998 5 0.636 0.566 0.706 0.975 1998 2 0.665 0.688 0.642 1.275 1998 4 0.742 0.852 0.633 1.177 1998 was just incredibly hot throughout (but not in November).