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I think it's more of a generalization of the Korean scientific community, of which most Koreans are not a part.

by irishloop 11y ago

celticninja 11y ago
It is an unfair generalisation in both cases. The wiki list of scientific fraud examples is very heavy on US examples.
- blisterpeanuts 11y ago
  What's the ratio of U.S. scientists to Korean scientists? 10:1 or so? I would expect to see 10x as many fraud cases in the U.S. But there have been some doozies in Korean science, especially the stem cell guy who really embarrassed and shamed his country with the extent of deception he practiced. Brilliant, but also crazy.
  - celticninja 11y ago
    where is that ratio pulled from? your ass? My point is that it was a generalization against korean scientists and a few instances is not representative of an entire group. Your point seems to be that the korean instances are somehow higher profile, but if that was the case then UK research science would be the worst because the vaccine/autism scandal has probably had the most far reaching after effects and infamy.
    - 4ad 11y ago
      http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+usa+%2F+population+of+south+korea http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+usa+%2F+p...
    - blisterpeanuts 11y ago
      Approximately 10x as many scientific documents produced in the U.S. as in S. Korea.[1] Ratio of U.S. to ROK scientists is about 6:1.[2] OK, so # of scientists isn't 10:1. But in terms of scientific activity, the U.S. is far and away more productive. 1. http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php 2. http://chartsbin.com/view/1124 http://chartsbin.com/view/1124
      - celticninja 11y ago
        And I would still call it an unfair generalisation. It's almost as if you are saying that some fraud is to be expected and is therefore fine when actually any fraud is wrong.

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I think it's more of a generalization of the Korean scientific community, of which most Koreans are not a part.

by irishloop 11y ago

I think it's more of a generalization of the Korean scientific community, of which most Koreans are not a part.

celticninja 11y ago
It is an unfair generalisation in both cases. The wiki list of scientific fraud examples is very heavy on US examples.
- blisterpeanuts 11y ago
  What's the ratio of U.S. scientists to Korean scientists? 10:1 or so? I would expect to see 10x as many fraud cases in the U.S. But there have been some doozies in Korean science, especially the stem cell guy who really embarrassed and shamed his country with the extent of deception he practiced. Brilliant, but also crazy.
  - celticninja 11y ago
    where is that ratio pulled from? your ass? My point is that it was a generalization against korean scientists and a few instances is not representative of an entire group. Your point seems to be that the korean instances are somehow higher profile, but if that was the case then UK research science would be the worst because the vaccine/autism scandal has probably had the most far reaching after effects and infamy.
    - 4ad 11y ago
      http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+usa+%2F+population+of+south+korea http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+usa+%2F+p...
    - blisterpeanuts 11y ago
      Approximately 10x as many scientific documents produced in the U.S. as in S. Korea.[1] Ratio of U.S. to ROK scientists is about 6:1.[2] OK, so # of scientists isn't 10:1. But in terms of scientific activity, the U.S. is far and away more productive. 1. http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php 2. http://chartsbin.com/view/1124 http://chartsbin.com/view/1124
      - celticninja 11y ago
        And I would still call it an unfair generalisation. It's almost as if you are saying that some fraud is to be expected and is therefore fine when actually any fraud is wrong.