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It's only impressive to outsiders who aren't aware that this hasn't been new for a very long time and is reusing the work of others. There are tons of videos an

It's only impressive to outsiders who aren't aware that this hasn't been new for a very long time and is reusing the work of others. There are tons of videos and documentation from amateurs and hobbyists hooking computers up to the canbus. In parallel to the tech community, the tuner/mod community have also been doing this on their own. It's been old news for years, led to many funny pranks and stunt hacks, culminating in charlie miller and chris valasek's media stunt last year.

engi_nerd 11y ago
How is it not impressive to take bits of knowledge from multiple domains (programming, instrumentation, electrical engineering, control laws, etc) and fuse them together into a single thing? We all take from the good work of those around us. But how many people seriously do things with that work? Not many, and disdaining people who do so is not productive or, in my view, a good thing.
- 2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
  I think because the goal posts keep moving with technology. The number of people who have ever combined knowledge from multiple domains into a useful thing may be small relative to the general population, but it's been done. The first time it's impressive. Then others add different ideas and concepts. Then everyone can do it and it feels old. We've also seen all the news from Google about their efforts and the pain points that they are experiencing. And this guy cobbles some stuff together and just puts it on the road. Most of us are not as smart as this guy, but that's just irresponsible. That just puts a bad taste in people's mouths.
  - tim333 11y ago
    >but that's just irresponsible It's not like it's unsupervised. Is it any more dangerous than taking a learner human diver out in a car?
    - y4mi 11y ago
      yes. a bug in the programm and it takes insane measures (i.e. breaking and steering hard right), salvaging that situation is impossible at higher speeds. its doubtful that a beginner would do such a thing, and even the attempt would take longer, giving the supervisor more time to interfere.
ocdtrekkie 11y ago
Isn't that the same for most self-driving technology? Computer vision toolsets aren't new. Obviously hooking up to a car's drive systems isn't new, full-size RC cars have been built for years for various reasons. None of the rangefinding hardware equipped on self-driving cars is novel. Where's the sudden breakthrough? All of this is built on technology and work that came before it. The whole field. It probably only really started being worked on in earnest from a business context because big tech companies like Google had more money than they knew what to do with, and were willing to spend it on ventures with no likelihood of profit any time soon.
outworlder 11y ago
Everything that you have ever done in your life has been about reusing the work of others. When was the last time you mined your own copper ore and created your own wires, with a pickaxe you built yourself? We have to draw the line somewhere.

engi_nerd 11y ago

How is it not impressive to take bits of knowledge from multiple domains (programming, instrumentation, electrical engineering, control laws, etc) and fuse them together into a single thing? We all take from the good work of those around us. But how many people seriously do things with that work? Not many, and disdaining people who do so is not productive or, in my view, a good thing.

2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
I think because the goal posts keep moving with technology. The number of people who have ever combined knowledge from multiple domains into a useful thing may be small relative to the general population, but it's been done. The first time it's impressive. Then others add different ideas and concepts. Then everyone can do it and it feels old. We've also seen all the news from Google about their efforts and the pain points that they are experiencing. And this guy cobbles some stuff together and just puts it on the road. Most of us are not as smart as this guy, but that's just irresponsible. That just puts a bad taste in people's mouths.
- tim333 11y ago
  >but that's just irresponsible It's not like it's unsupervised. Is it any more dangerous than taking a learner human diver out in a car?
  - y4mi 11y ago
    yes. a bug in the programm and it takes insane measures (i.e. breaking and steering hard right), salvaging that situation is impossible at higher speeds. its doubtful that a beginner would do such a thing, and even the attempt would take longer, giving the supervisor more time to interfere.

ocdtrekkie 11y ago

Isn't that the same for most self-driving technology? Computer vision toolsets aren't new. Obviously hooking up to a car's drive systems isn't new, full-size RC cars have been built for years for various reasons. None of the rangefinding hardware equipped on self-driving cars is novel. Where's the sudden breakthrough? All of this is built on technology and work that came before it. The whole field. It probably only really started being worked on in earnest from a business context because big tech companies like Google had more money than they knew what to do with, and were willing to spend it on ventures with no likelihood of profit any time soon.

outworlder 11y ago

Everything that you have ever done in your life has been about reusing the work of others. When was the last time you mined your own copper ore and created your own wires, with a pickaxe you built yourself? We have to draw the line somewhere.