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> And, you've made a joke comparing that to someone wanting to be treated like royalty. It's not a joke: it's a serious example. You are not (I assume) nobilit
by zeveb 11y ago
> And, you've made a joke comparing that to someone wanting to be treated like royalty.
It's not a joke: it's a serious example. You are not (I assume) nobility in any recognised peerage; a man who believes he is a woman is not in any recognisable sense actually a woman.
Or maybe you are actually a peer, or maybe she really is a woman. In which cases yes, I'd like to see proof which outweighs the evidence to the contrary.
> And, I've mentioned that many trans folks find that kind of response hurtful.
It may be hurtful to the theoretical you-of-the-example to note that you are a commoner; it may be hurtful to a man who believes himself a woman to note that he is a man. But, y'know, you are and he is.
It's hurtful to me when folks point out my errors and mistakes, but I can't change reality to match what I think it is or want it to be.
> Do you sincerely believe the two situations are comparable?
Yes, they are exact analogues from my point of view, for the reason that neither noble titles nor sex are subjective: they are objective reality.
- SwellJoe 11y ago"Yes, they are exact analogues from my point of view, for the reason that neither noble titles nor sex are subjective: they are objective reality." You'll need to back that up with some citations. My understanding of the relevant science, from many angles (biology and psychology, in particular) says otherwise. The science says that sex and gender are much more complex than merely "either/or" and that trying to put a binary onto something that complex isn't useful and potentially even dangerous for those most at risk. And, my personal interactions with people who suffer from gender dysphoria, among other issues, tells me that it causes harm when I refuse to respect their desire to be called by their preferred name and gender. I don't want to cause harm, particularly when it costs me literally nothing to respect my friends' wishes.
- etjossem 11y ago> a man who believes he is a woman is not in any recognisable sense actually a woman. You are talking about someone whose biological sex at birth was male, and whose gender is female. In other words, you're confusing biological characteristics with gender. Gender refers to self-identity, cultural behavior, and presentation. The World Health Organization[1] and the Oxford English Dictionary[2] have accepted this definition. On Facebook, users may fill a freeform gender field (not a dropdown) and select a preferred prounoun. Users are not required to substantiate gender, nor would there be a way to. Notably, Facebook never asks anyone to give medical info about their biological sex. Neither should you. [1] http://apps.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/ http://apps.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/ [2] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/gender http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_eng...