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You could make the same argument about stocks "you want to allow my grandma to lose money in stocks?". The right to lose money is just as important as the right

by um_ya 11y ago

You could make the same argument about stocks "you want to allow my grandma to lose money in stocks?". The right to lose money is just as important as the right to gain it.

tptacek 11y ago
HN people seem to love this argument, but it doesn't hold water. The accredited investor standard doesn't prevent you from losing money. It prevents people from marketing investment products to you. Even if you're unaccredited, you can still invest in private company stock: it's just legally risky for the company that sells it to you, since the law makes it very easy for you to sue them. The reason the accredited investor standard has teeth for startups is that if you're taking money from unaccredited investors, you're almost always taking it in small amounts from lots of people. The law assumes --- reasonably! --- that if you're doing that, you're marketing your stock as an investment product. That makes you, in effect, a public company, and you have to follow all the same rules as other public companies do.
- tonyarkles 11y ago
  Huh, you just brought up an interesting point that I hadn't considered: if you invest in a company and it turns out to be a scam, you're more likely to have the resources to pursue legal action if you meet the currently defined threshold of an "accredited investor". I too have always been a bit miffed about the whole accredited investor thing, but that angle had never crossed my mind.
ketralnis 11y ago
But the default way to invest in stocks is to go through a broker. Apple isn't sending people to personally knock on your door offering you 1000% returns.
marme 11y ago
look how many people get suckered into multi level marketing aka pyramid schemes. Imagine if those schemes were allowed to get their members to just "invest" money with promised returns for getting other "investors". It seems real easy for it to turn into a loophole for full on pyramid schemes to start popping up. Not to mention the kinds of ponzi schemes you can run when you can peddle stock in non-public companies that the average retail investor can not even look up quarterly reports on

by um_ya 11y ago

You could make the same argument about stocks "you want to allow my grandma to lose money in stocks?". The right to lose money is just as important as the right to gain it.

tptacek 11y ago

HN people seem to love this argument, but it doesn't hold water. The accredited investor standard doesn't prevent you from losing money. It prevents people from marketing investment products to you. Even if you're unaccredited, you can still invest in private company stock: it's just legally risky for the company that sells it to you, since the law makes it very easy for you to sue them. The reason the accredited investor standard has teeth for startups is that if you're taking money from unaccredited investors, you're almost always taking it in small amounts from lots of people. The law assumes --- reasonably! --- that if you're doing that, you're marketing your stock as an investment product. That makes you, in effect, a public company, and you have to follow all the same rules as other public companies do.

tonyarkles 11y ago
Huh, you just brought up an interesting point that I hadn't considered: if you invest in a company and it turns out to be a scam, you're more likely to have the resources to pursue legal action if you meet the currently defined threshold of an "accredited investor". I too have always been a bit miffed about the whole accredited investor thing, but that angle had never crossed my mind.

ketralnis 11y ago

But the default way to invest in stocks is to go through a broker. Apple isn't sending people to personally knock on your door offering you 1000% returns.

marme 11y ago

look how many people get suckered into multi level marketing aka pyramid schemes. Imagine if those schemes were allowed to get their members to just "invest" money with promised returns for getting other "investors". It seems real easy for it to turn into a loophole for full on pyramid schemes to start popping up. Not to mention the kinds of ponzi schemes you can run when you can peddle stock in non-public companies that the average retail investor can not even look up quarterly reports on