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> All the other tenants in the building have to deal with a small, unregulated hotel being opened in it. Is that particularly worse than tenants having to deal

by zeveb 11y ago

> All the other tenants in the building have to deal with a small, unregulated hotel being opened in it. Is that particularly worse than tenants having to deal with Section 8 tenants in their midst?

tptacek 11y ago
What the fuck would make you write something like that? I live on a block with S8 renters. They're real people with families who want a safe bed and decent schools for their kids just like everyone else.
- zeveb 11y ago
  > What the fuck would make you write something like that? Your own comment some time ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10623102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10623102 Why do you think that short-term middle-to-upper-class renters are preferable neighbours to medium-to-long-term lower-class renters? I saw your comment elsethread about ease of punishment, which makes some sense, but in my experience small landlords simply don't care. Living above a pair of end-stage alcoholics who importuned people on the sidewalk and called the ambulance for health care every few weeks was far, far more annoying than the flophouse a few doors down. Then there was the poor family with 9 people in a two-bedroom unit, with a couple of teenagers who vandalised and may have been thieves as well (not that upper-class teenagers aren't hoodlums, of course: many of them are too). Then there was the prostitute with the shady clientele. You appear to be opposed to short-term renters, but appear to applaud Section 8. Why the difference?
  - tptacek 11y ago
    Yes, that is exactly what I think, and also what the zoning commissioners in virtually every city think, which is why cities have limitations on short-term rentals in residential properties and special zoning rules for where you can put hotels!
wglb 11y ago
I think you are way out of line here. I have family that lives in Section 8 housing. They are a danger or annoyance to no one.
- zeveb 11y ago
  > I have family that lives in Section 8 housing. They are a danger or annoyance to no one. Neither are short-term hotel guests, but tptacek wants to reduce those while welcoming Section 8, which is logically inconsistent.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    No, the equivalence you've drawn between long-term renters who happen to qualify for housing vouchers and people who stay for a few nights in a house while traveling is the illogical argument.
    - zeveb 11y ago
      > No, the equivalence you've drawn between long-term renters who happen to qualify for housing vouchers and people who stay for a few nights in a house while traveling is the illogical argument. They are both groups of people who some folks wish to exclude as neighbours, and others wish to include as neighbours, in both cases presumably based on desirability or undesirability qua neighbours. I've explained my reasoning (which is that I think short-term renters are more likely to be of a similar social class as their neighbours than are those who qualify for housing vouchers, and that I view local class homogeneity as a social good); it's hardly illogical, although you are of course free to disagree with it.

by zeveb 11y ago

> All the other tenants in the building have to deal with a small, unregulated hotel being opened in it. Is that particularly worse than tenants having to deal with Section 8 tenants in their midst?

tptacek 11y ago

What the fuck would make you write something like that? I live on a block with S8 renters. They're real people with families who want a safe bed and decent schools for their kids just like everyone else.

zeveb 11y ago
> What the fuck would make you write something like that? Your own comment some time ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10623102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10623102 Why do you think that short-term middle-to-upper-class renters are preferable neighbours to medium-to-long-term lower-class renters? I saw your comment elsethread about ease of punishment, which makes some sense, but in my experience small landlords simply don't care. Living above a pair of end-stage alcoholics who importuned people on the sidewalk and called the ambulance for health care every few weeks was far, far more annoying than the flophouse a few doors down. Then there was the poor family with 9 people in a two-bedroom unit, with a couple of teenagers who vandalised and may have been thieves as well (not that upper-class teenagers aren't hoodlums, of course: many of them are too). Then there was the prostitute with the shady clientele. You appear to be opposed to short-term renters, but appear to applaud Section 8. Why the difference?
- tptacek 11y ago
  Yes, that is exactly what I think, and also what the zoning commissioners in virtually every city think, which is why cities have limitations on short-term rentals in residential properties and special zoning rules for where you can put hotels!

wglb 11y ago

I think you are way out of line here. I have family that lives in Section 8 housing. They are a danger or annoyance to no one.

zeveb 11y ago
> I have family that lives in Section 8 housing. They are a danger or annoyance to no one. Neither are short-term hotel guests, but tptacek wants to reduce those while welcoming Section 8, which is logically inconsistent.
- tptacek 11y ago
  No, the equivalence you've drawn between long-term renters who happen to qualify for housing vouchers and people who stay for a few nights in a house while traveling is the illogical argument.
  - zeveb 11y ago
    > No, the equivalence you've drawn between long-term renters who happen to qualify for housing vouchers and people who stay for a few nights in a house while traveling is the illogical argument. They are both groups of people who some folks wish to exclude as neighbours, and others wish to include as neighbours, in both cases presumably based on desirability or undesirability qua neighbours. I've explained my reasoning (which is that I think short-term renters are more likely to be of a similar social class as their neighbours than are those who qualify for housing vouchers, and that I view local class homogeneity as a social good); it's hardly illogical, although you are of course free to disagree with it.