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> Matlab users greatly value having a complete package with an editor, debugger, visualiser, profiler, and system modeller all in one. That's a very good point

> Matlab users greatly value having a complete package with an editor, debugger, visualiser, profiler, and system modeller all in one. That's a very good point. Julia's debugger and profiler are both horrifyingly bad.

ViralBShah 11y ago
The debugger is one of Julia's top priorities, and here's a debugger roadmap that Keno recently posted. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/julia-dev/-LTsBVRv1dU https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/julia-dev/-LTsBVRv1d...
pkofod 11y ago
Do you really think profiling is so horrifyingly bad in Julia with ProfileView? Imho, I cannot see what Matlab offers on top of that, but that may just be me.
- _Codemonkeyism 11y ago
  If you don't understand other people, wonder then dig deeper. Don't make it an argument against those people.
  - sgt101 11y ago
    errm - if someone makes a point respond to the point rather than attacking the fact that they made it? What are the features that the Julia profiler should have? If you can say then I think that everyone will have made some progress.
  - pkofod 11y ago
    A: "X is stupid, Y is much better!" B: "Are you sure X is stupid? How is Y better?" C: "Don't argue, B! Dig deeper." You figure out who's who. I was merely trying to understand why thebooktocome thought the profiler was so bad.
    - _Codemonkeyism 11y ago
      You're obviously the clever one.
      - pkofod 11y ago
        I meant no harm, and as you can see, thebooktocome actually understood my comment, and has given me a useful answer. Have a nice day.
        _Codemonkeyism 11y ago
        Sorry then it was my bad English, as I'm no native speaker, as "Do you really think profiling is so ..." I did not understand as a honest inquiry, mainly because of your usage of "really" and your unconventional - I might say defensive - use of "Imho" in "Imho, I cannot see what Matlab ..." where I understood "Imho" as "In my humble opinion" expanded to "In my humble opinion, I cannot see what ...". Also your words with the easy usage of "stupid" led me - wrongly! - into the direction that you might not be interested in understanding why users prefer Matlab, but more in expressing your opinion about the topic. And to be frank, again perhaps due to my weak understanding of English, your usage of "You figure out who's who." and "Have a nice day" to me do not sound as the intention of trying to understand things but more on making clever remarks. But as I've pointed out, this might be due to the fact that English is not my native tongue.
- thebooktocome 11y ago
  I think ProfileView is great at displaying flame graphs, but there's more to profiling than can be interpreted from a single graph. For example, it doesn't separate execution time from number of executions.
jordigh 11y ago
After many years, we've finally had something that very roughly approaches that in the Octave GUI. I've heard lots of good things about our GUI, but I know we're still very far from the polish of Matlab in this department.

ViralBShah 11y ago

The debugger is one of Julia's top priorities, and here's a debugger roadmap that Keno recently posted. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/julia-dev/-LTsBVRv1dU https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/julia-dev/-LTsBVRv1d...

pkofod 11y ago

Do you really think profiling is so horrifyingly bad in Julia with ProfileView? Imho, I cannot see what Matlab offers on top of that, but that may just be me.

_Codemonkeyism 11y ago
If you don't understand other people, wonder then dig deeper. Don't make it an argument against those people.
- sgt101 11y ago
  errm - if someone makes a point respond to the point rather than attacking the fact that they made it? What are the features that the Julia profiler should have? If you can say then I think that everyone will have made some progress.
- pkofod 11y ago
  A: "X is stupid, Y is much better!" B: "Are you sure X is stupid? How is Y better?" C: "Don't argue, B! Dig deeper." You figure out who's who. I was merely trying to understand why thebooktocome thought the profiler was so bad.
  - _Codemonkeyism 11y ago
    You're obviously the clever one.
    - pkofod 11y ago
      I meant no harm, and as you can see, thebooktocome actually understood my comment, and has given me a useful answer. Have a nice day.
      - _Codemonkeyism 11y ago
        Sorry then it was my bad English, as I'm no native speaker, as "Do you really think profiling is so ..." I did not understand as a honest inquiry, mainly because of your usage of "really" and your unconventional - I might say defensive - use of "Imho" in "Imho, I cannot see what Matlab ..." where I understood "Imho" as "In my humble opinion" expanded to "In my humble opinion, I cannot see what ...". Also your words with the easy usage of "stupid" led me - wrongly! - into the direction that you might not be interested in understanding why users prefer Matlab, but more in expressing your opinion about the topic. And to be frank, again perhaps due to my weak understanding of English, your usage of "You figure out who's who." and "Have a nice day" to me do not sound as the intention of trying to understand things but more on making clever remarks. But as I've pointed out, this might be due to the fact that English is not my native tongue.
thebooktocome 11y ago
I think ProfileView is great at displaying flame graphs, but there's more to profiling than can be interpreted from a single graph. For example, it doesn't separate execution time from number of executions.

jordigh 11y ago

After many years, we've finally had something that very roughly approaches that in the Octave GUI. I've heard lots of good things about our GUI, but I know we're still very far from the polish of Matlab in this department.