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Google maps and gmail are "dysfunctional" and behind MapQuest and hotmail or yahoo mail? I don't know (personally) a single hotmail user, AFAIK people only use

by tx 19y ago

Google maps and gmail are "dysfunctional" and behind MapQuest and hotmail or yahoo mail? I don't know (personally) a single hotmail user, AFAIK people only use it for spamboxes. And MapQuest? WTF?

pchristensen 19y ago
I know, I love Google products and use them extensively, but they all trail their competitors. Probably inertia where people won't change even though there's a much better, equally free alternative. I think it comes from Google seeing a useful online service and building their own better version. By the time Google's offering is up, users have already developed habits on other apps. I guess rather than dysfunctional I meant "relatively unpopular". The fact that you don't know a single hotmail user is a reflection of the kind of people you know, because hotmail and yahoo mail have multiple times more users than gmail. Technical superiority doesn't always (or even usually) win. Heck, IE7 crashes on my wife a couple times a day and she still refuses to use Firefox (which is installed on her computer with a copy of her bookmarks). By behind, I definitely mean in # of users, not technologically.
- neilc 19y ago
  GMail and Google Maps are definitely behind in # of users, but I would think that both are increasing market share at a faster rate than the existing players.
- tx 19y ago
  Peter, where do you get your data from? Just curious. Among our users gmail addresses are by far the most popular with yahoo being distant 2nd. In my opinion google seems to dominate every market they wish to enter, with one notable exception (orcut).
  - pchristensen 19y ago
    I've seen it enough different places to believe it. Here's one: http://www.marketingvox.com/archives/2007/05/14/gmails-users-fewer-but-younger-richer-than-yahoos-hotmails-2/ http://www.marketingvox.com/archives/2007/05/14/gmails-users... or this http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/single-ajax-interface-for-yahoo-mail-im-coming/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/single-ajax-interface-f... Here's one about maps: http://manojjasra.blogspot.com/2008/01/mapquest-vs-google-maps-google-closing.html http://manojjasra.blogspot.com/2008/01/mapquest-vs-google-ma... Just google "[google's product] vs [competitor 1] vs [competitor 2]" and you'll see the same pattern. I think most Hacker News readers can't believe this because most of the people we know (heck, even our customers) are technically savvy. Go pick any random group of non-geeks (like say school teachers, firemen, visual artists, secretaries, parents of college students, etc) and ask them which site they use for email. Take you for example. In order to use PikLuk, you have to a) have kids, b) have computer/internet, c) know that bad stuff is on the internet, d) be concerned about your kids finding bad stuff on the internet, and e) be willing to spend time screening sites and setting up a whitelist (or however it works). Pretty much all of those skew towards upper-middle class educated people. Besides, how worried can you be about your kids finding bad stuff if you can't even find a mail program better than Hotmail?

by tx 19y ago

Google maps and gmail are "dysfunctional" and behind MapQuest and hotmail or yahoo mail? I don't know (personally) a single hotmail user, AFAIK people only use it for spamboxes. And MapQuest? WTF?

pchristensen 19y ago

I know, I love Google products and use them extensively, but they all trail their competitors. Probably inertia where people won't change even though there's a much better, equally free alternative. I think it comes from Google seeing a useful online service and building their own better version. By the time Google's offering is up, users have already developed habits on other apps. I guess rather than dysfunctional I meant "relatively unpopular". The fact that you don't know a single hotmail user is a reflection of the kind of people you know, because hotmail and yahoo mail have multiple times more users than gmail. Technical superiority doesn't always (or even usually) win. Heck, IE7 crashes on my wife a couple times a day and she still refuses to use Firefox (which is installed on her computer with a copy of her bookmarks). By behind, I definitely mean in # of users, not technologically.

neilc 19y ago
GMail and Google Maps are definitely behind in # of users, but I would think that both are increasing market share at a faster rate than the existing players.
tx 19y ago
Peter, where do you get your data from? Just curious. Among our users gmail addresses are by far the most popular with yahoo being distant 2nd. In my opinion google seems to dominate every market they wish to enter, with one notable exception (orcut).
- pchristensen 19y ago
  I've seen it enough different places to believe it. Here's one: http://www.marketingvox.com/archives/2007/05/14/gmails-users-fewer-but-younger-richer-than-yahoos-hotmails-2/ http://www.marketingvox.com/archives/2007/05/14/gmails-users... or this http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/single-ajax-interface-for-yahoo-mail-im-coming/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/single-ajax-interface-f... Here's one about maps: http://manojjasra.blogspot.com/2008/01/mapquest-vs-google-maps-google-closing.html http://manojjasra.blogspot.com/2008/01/mapquest-vs-google-ma... Just google "[google's product] vs [competitor 1] vs [competitor 2]" and you'll see the same pattern. I think most Hacker News readers can't believe this because most of the people we know (heck, even our customers) are technically savvy. Go pick any random group of non-geeks (like say school teachers, firemen, visual artists, secretaries, parents of college students, etc) and ask them which site they use for email. Take you for example. In order to use PikLuk, you have to a) have kids, b) have computer/internet, c) know that bad stuff is on the internet, d) be concerned about your kids finding bad stuff on the internet, and e) be willing to spend time screening sites and setting up a whitelist (or however it works). Pretty much all of those skew towards upper-middle class educated people. Besides, how worried can you be about your kids finding bad stuff if you can't even find a mail program better than Hotmail?