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Despite US's overall economical and military dominance, the poor parts of US is really bad. Especially to people from other first-world countries who thought US

Despite US's overall economical and military dominance, the poor parts of US is really bad. Especially to people from other first-world countries who thought US is similar to their own country. For the Americans who have not traveled abroad, countries in northern Europe, Canada/Australia generally do not have the level of poverty some parts of US suffers.

merpnderp 11y ago
Abandoned or neglected properties are not a great measure for poverty. The average after government transfer income of the bottom quintile of households in the US is ~$25,000, which is slightly more than the after government transfers to the bottom quintile of households in the UK. Meanwhile the middle quintile of income earners in the UK is about $20,000 short of the middle US quintile.
sedachv 11y ago
In Canada (and Australia from what I have read, but not personally seen) the level of poverty in many Native towns is certainly comparable.
- zzalpha 11y ago
  Umm, there are no "native towns" in Canada. It's absolutely true that many of the indigenous reserves here are a living tragedy... in fact, like Australia, we have a long and shameful history with respect to our indigenous population, a history that we're still writing today (recently the CBC had to shut down comments on stories about indigenous issues due the quantity of hateful comments they attract). That said, small town Canada can absolutely suffer as bad as anywhere in the US (just like America's coal and steel towns, it's not unusual for small towns to be dependent on a single industry, and if that industry suffers the town suffers...). However, we don't tend to have the same level of urban blight and decay as you see in some American cities.
  - sedachv 11y ago
    > Umm, there are no "native towns" in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserves_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserves_in_Can... Most of those have towns in them. > However, we don't tend to have the same level of urban blight and decay as you see in some American cities. There are plenty of run-down areas and derelict industrial objects in and around Montreal. It is true you cannot compare Montreal to select cities like Detroit or Newark, but that is because the urban blight there is exclusively a product of systemic racism against blacks in the United States. This is why it makes more sense to compare Detroit to Native towns. Indigenous people in Canada face blatant and open discrimination today that is comparable to what blacks face in the United States.
    - flubert 11y ago
      >the urban blight there is exclusively a product of systemic racism against blacks in the United States. https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=detroit+industrial+ruins https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=detroit+indus...
      - sedachv 11y ago
        Median household income in Detroit: $26,325 83% black (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html) Walk a block over to Grosse Point: $89,492 93% white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Pointe,_Michigan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Pointe,_Michigan) Royal Oak: $52,252 90% white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Oak,_Michigan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Oak,_Michigan) Livonia: $68,973 92% white (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2649000.html http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2649000.html)

merpnderp 11y ago

Abandoned or neglected properties are not a great measure for poverty. The average after government transfer income of the bottom quintile of households in the US is ~$25,000, which is slightly more than the after government transfers to the bottom quintile of households in the UK. Meanwhile the middle quintile of income earners in the UK is about $20,000 short of the middle US quintile.

sedachv 11y ago

In Canada (and Australia from what I have read, but not personally seen) the level of poverty in many Native towns is certainly comparable.

zzalpha 11y ago
Umm, there are no "native towns" in Canada. It's absolutely true that many of the indigenous reserves here are a living tragedy... in fact, like Australia, we have a long and shameful history with respect to our indigenous population, a history that we're still writing today (recently the CBC had to shut down comments on stories about indigenous issues due the quantity of hateful comments they attract). That said, small town Canada can absolutely suffer as bad as anywhere in the US (just like America's coal and steel towns, it's not unusual for small towns to be dependent on a single industry, and if that industry suffers the town suffers...). However, we don't tend to have the same level of urban blight and decay as you see in some American cities.
- sedachv 11y ago
  > Umm, there are no "native towns" in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserves_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserves_in_Can... Most of those have towns in them. > However, we don't tend to have the same level of urban blight and decay as you see in some American cities. There are plenty of run-down areas and derelict industrial objects in and around Montreal. It is true you cannot compare Montreal to select cities like Detroit or Newark, but that is because the urban blight there is exclusively a product of systemic racism against blacks in the United States. This is why it makes more sense to compare Detroit to Native towns. Indigenous people in Canada face blatant and open discrimination today that is comparable to what blacks face in the United States.
  - flubert 11y ago
    >the urban blight there is exclusively a product of systemic racism against blacks in the United States. https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=detroit+industrial+ruins https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=detroit+indus...
    - sedachv 11y ago
      Median household income in Detroit: $26,325 83% black (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html) Walk a block over to Grosse Point: $89,492 93% white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Pointe,_Michigan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Pointe,_Michigan) Royal Oak: $52,252 90% white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Oak,_Michigan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Oak,_Michigan) Livonia: $68,973 92% white (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2649000.html http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2649000.html)