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> Does Christianity have as its "highest values" either "freedom" or "democracy"? Have I mentioned Christianity anywhere? My subject was the religion whose nam

by acqq 11y ago

> Does Christianity have as its "highest values" either "freedom" or "democracy"? Have I mentioned Christianity anywhere? My subject was the religion whose name is translated as "submission." > why did you feel the need to state this particular fact about this particular religion? My topic was "what's being fought for from the perspective of ISIS." I believe I kept my text focused to the topic. You are welcome to point any incorrectness in my elaboration of the topic, up to now I haven't seen that anybody recognized anything incorrect. Additionally, ponder the chart shown here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/us/california-mass-shooting-san-bernardino.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/us/california-... The percentage of the followers of the given religion in the US is something like 1% of the population. The religion fundamentalism based on the religion of just 1% of the population produced 50% of "Deaths From Extremist Attacks in the U.S." and that even not counting 9/11. Imagine how the chart would look with only one year more (2977 deaths more).

ZeroGravitas 11y ago
A quick Google gives an estimate of 4 million muslims killed since 1990 by Western, Christian nations. That's a big number.
- acqq 11y ago
  Please the most relevant link or links from the results of the search. When I put "Muslim victims" I get something like "a United Nations report from September 2014 found that “at least 24,015” Iraqi civilians — the vast majority of whom were Muslim — had been killed or injured by Daesh in the first eight months of 2014" http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/IQ/UNAMI_OHCHR_POC_Report_FINAL_6July_10September2014.pdf http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/IQ/UNAMI_OHCHR_POC_... (Edit: OK I've found one link: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-wester... ) And can you specify the religious ideology based on which 4 million Muslims were apparently killed (since 1990)? And the quotes from the religious books that those who did these acts followed, like ISIS does for its acts and I can quote? From my link with 4 million: "US intervention in Afghanistan began long before 9/11 in the form of covert military, logistical and financial aid to the Taliban from around 1992 onward. This US assistance propelled the Taliban’s violent conquest of nearly 90 percent of Afghan territory." The article is of course inaccurate, the U.S. supported the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan since mid-1979 even before Russia entered there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone So the deaths in Afghanistan resulted from raise of Taliban, for which the U.S. is partly responsible. In Iraq, the war between different Muslim entities was the "undesired" result of the U.S. actions (they expected "democracy"). I don't see Christian agenda in supporting the Taliban (!) or the Shia politicians in Iraq (because "democracy" -- Shia are majority there!). I think you can agree it's not the Christian religious values that motivate all that.

by acqq 11y ago

ZeroGravitas 11y ago

A quick Google gives an estimate of 4 million muslims killed since 1990 by Western, Christian nations. That's a big number.

acqq 11y ago
Please the most relevant link or links from the results of the search. When I put "Muslim victims" I get something like "a United Nations report from September 2014 found that “at least 24,015” Iraqi civilians — the vast majority of whom were Muslim — had been killed or injured by Daesh in the first eight months of 2014" http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/IQ/UNAMI_OHCHR_POC_Report_FINAL_6July_10September2014.pdf http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/IQ/UNAMI_OHCHR_POC_... (Edit: OK I've found one link: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-wester... ) And can you specify the religious ideology based on which 4 million Muslims were apparently killed (since 1990)? And the quotes from the religious books that those who did these acts followed, like ISIS does for its acts and I can quote? From my link with 4 million: "US intervention in Afghanistan began long before 9/11 in the form of covert military, logistical and financial aid to the Taliban from around 1992 onward. This US assistance propelled the Taliban’s violent conquest of nearly 90 percent of Afghan territory." The article is of course inaccurate, the U.S. supported the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan since mid-1979 even before Russia entered there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone So the deaths in Afghanistan resulted from raise of Taliban, for which the U.S. is partly responsible. In Iraq, the war between different Muslim entities was the "undesired" result of the U.S. actions (they expected "democracy"). I don't see Christian agenda in supporting the Taliban (!) or the Shia politicians in Iraq (because "democracy" -- Shia are majority there!). I think you can agree it's not the Christian religious values that motivate all that.