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> via a Debian chroot inside Crouton Try a native install on the Flip, it is nice: http://kmkeen.com/c100p-tweaks/ http://kmkeen.com/c100p-tweaks/

by keenerd 11y ago

ggreer 11y ago
From that page: > The C100P Flip is the best netbook I have seen in eight years. That's quite the praise! This thing must be really good. > The default ALSA config was completely silent. Enabling Right Speaker Mixer Right/Left DAC fixed that. Supposedly there is a risk of burning out the amp if you thoughtlessly enable every option. Uhh... wow. Well, OK. > After suspend/resume, wifi will not work if the btsdio module was automatically loaded. The best netbook in eight years, yet it can't even suspend/resume properly? What? > The best video output mode is X11 video output. Despite what everyone says about being slow, this is the only driver that doesn't have major desync problems. > Stellarium would run at a buttery smooth 60 FPS for a few minutes and then everything would die. > Chromium will not run on this hardware. > Screen rotation through xrandr doesn't work at all... Then under "Things to Fix": > - HMDI output. Very wonky, usually crashes X11 after a few minutes. > - USB ethernet. The cdc_ether module will load but nothing happens. > - Webcam. Crazy bucket of fail here. Maybe 25% of the time fswebcam can grab a single frame. Good luck with video. > - Multitouch on the panel. No idea how to get that working. To me, —even with the fixes and workarounds you describe— that device sounds like a nightmare to use.
- david-given 11y ago
  As a counter, ChromeOS will boot from cold in about five seconds. It's got a web browser, file browser, video and music player (with super-slick video quality --- no tearing!), the WiFi just works, there's built in support for mapping the caps key to ctrl, it maintains and updates itself, all the fiddly audio and touchscreen and gestures all just work. And then if I want to use a real OS, I switch to my fullscreen Debian installation running awesome and all my xterms and it all just seamlessly interoperates. Except I don't need NetworkManager or PulseAudio or any of that nonsense because ChromeOS does it all for me. The brightness buttons work! The audio volume buttons work! Suspend and resume works! Everything works! There's even two-way clipboard support! Which works! I've been using Linux for years, and I think this is the first time I have ever had a Linux-based laptop where all this stuff wasn't a total PITA.
  - keenerd 11y ago
    Counter counter :-) Linux boots in 6 seconds. Caps is mapped to Mod4/super, you already have a GIANT control key. Linux does not need NM or Pulse either. And the operating system is not in the middle of being axed by Google, so while updates are not automatic I don't have to worry about them stopping. But the two biggest points: Linux gets you an extra five hours of battery life, and lets you configure charge limits so that the non-replacable battery won't rot away in three years.
  - creshal 11y ago
    > The brightness buttons work! The audio volume buttons work! Suspend and resume works! Everything works! I can't remember when I last had a Thinkpad where any of that didn't work out of the box with Linux.
    - david-given 11y ago
      I have to admit that I've never used a Thinkpad. I know they have excellent Linux support (lots of people where I work use them because of this). But on every single other laptop I have ever used Linux on, there has always been something that hasn't worked properly, whether it's audio not waking up properly after a suspend, or occasionally suspend not actually working and I discover a red hot laptop in my bag spinning at 100% CPU, or some such issue. Having a machine which I don't have to fiddle with to make work is a totally new experience for me.
- keenerd 11y ago
  Well it is the best netbook I've seen in eight years. With the exception of the meager number of ports and the glossy screen, the hardware is wonderful. Everything else comes down to software. Some of the difficulties were because I prefer to do things a difficult way. Eg, Arch is going to require more configuration and sound Just Works if you use Pulse. Having ALSA correctly autoconfigure everything except a single boolean flag is pretty good in my book. The warning about burning out hardware is just me passing on the advice from an engineer who actually works on these boards. Suspend/resume is in fact flawless. It has never failed to come out of suspend, unlike quite a few thinkpads I've used. However linux does the wrong thing here with the bluetooth module. Trivial to fix, and it happens on other hardware too. Not the fault of the Flip. Chromium doesn't run on Arch Linux ARM at all. Any hardware, regardless. So you can't hold that against the Flip. And I don't use Chromium, so this is a non-factor. Almost everything else is the usual crap you have to put up with using garbage closed source video drivers and a kernel hacked out of ChromeOS. But I spend the majority of my time in the terminal, so the graphics are nothing I am concerned about. Similarly, I don't care about the webcam or multitouch, or HDMI because I don't own an HDMI monitor. I feel they are irrelevant details hardly worth mention, but they sound like dealbreakers to you. Literally all I do is typing, reading, listening to music. I wanted fanless, all-day battery life, that weighs under a kilogram and is under $300. The Flip delivers and overall it has been a better experience than running Linux on a thinkpad. There are very few netbooks that could meet those requirements, and none that do it as elegantly as the Flip does. Therefor it is the best in my regard. If you disagree, it is up to you to name something superior according to the given criteria.
  - ggreer 11y ago
    Our use-cases are similar, but if you value your time at anything reasonable, your budget should be much higher. Let me explain. I spend about 10 hours a day on my main computer. If I upgrade every 18 months, even a $1500 machine only costs 28 cents per hour. Set aside frustration with drivers or software bugs; expensive laptops win for purely economic reasons. If a $1500 laptop makes me even 10% more productive, it's worth buying. This is the case for practically anyone who works in tech. My current laptop is a base model 12" MacBook. It is, without a doubt, my favorite computer ever. It's small. It's light. The screen is gorgeous. It resumes before I'm done opening the lid. It has an amazing trackpad, excellent battery life, and a wonderful keyboard. With current technology, it could scarcely be improved upon. I wish there was a combination of hardware and software that could compete with it, but so far, nothing I've seen has come close.

> via a Debian chroot inside Crouton Try a native install on the Flip, it is nice: http://kmkeen.com/c100p-tweaks/ http://kmkeen.com/c100p-tweaks/

by keenerd 11y ago

> via a Debian chroot inside Crouton Try a native install on the Flip, it is nice: http://kmkeen.com/c100p-tweaks/ http://kmkeen.com/c100p-tweaks/

ggreer 11y ago

From that page: > The C100P Flip is the best netbook I have seen in eight years. That's quite the praise! This thing must be really good. > The default ALSA config was completely silent. Enabling Right Speaker Mixer Right/Left DAC fixed that. Supposedly there is a risk of burning out the amp if you thoughtlessly enable every option. Uhh... wow. Well, OK. > After suspend/resume, wifi will not work if the btsdio module was automatically loaded. The best netbook in eight years, yet it can't even suspend/resume properly? What? > The best video output mode is X11 video output. Despite what everyone says about being slow, this is the only driver that doesn't have major desync problems. > Stellarium would run at a buttery smooth 60 FPS for a few minutes and then everything would die. > Chromium will not run on this hardware. > Screen rotation through xrandr doesn't work at all... Then under "Things to Fix": > - HMDI output. Very wonky, usually crashes X11 after a few minutes. > - USB ethernet. The cdc_ether module will load but nothing happens. > - Webcam. Crazy bucket of fail here. Maybe 25% of the time fswebcam can grab a single frame. Good luck with video. > - Multitouch on the panel. No idea how to get that working. To me, —even with the fixes and workarounds you describe— that device sounds like a nightmare to use.

david-given 11y ago
As a counter, ChromeOS will boot from cold in about five seconds. It's got a web browser, file browser, video and music player (with super-slick video quality --- no tearing!), the WiFi just works, there's built in support for mapping the caps key to ctrl, it maintains and updates itself, all the fiddly audio and touchscreen and gestures all just work. And then if I want to use a real OS, I switch to my fullscreen Debian installation running awesome and all my xterms and it all just seamlessly interoperates. Except I don't need NetworkManager or PulseAudio or any of that nonsense because ChromeOS does it all for me. The brightness buttons work! The audio volume buttons work! Suspend and resume works! Everything works! There's even two-way clipboard support! Which works! I've been using Linux for years, and I think this is the first time I have ever had a Linux-based laptop where all this stuff wasn't a total PITA.
- keenerd 11y ago
  Counter counter :-) Linux boots in 6 seconds. Caps is mapped to Mod4/super, you already have a GIANT control key. Linux does not need NM or Pulse either. And the operating system is not in the middle of being axed by Google, so while updates are not automatic I don't have to worry about them stopping. But the two biggest points: Linux gets you an extra five hours of battery life, and lets you configure charge limits so that the non-replacable battery won't rot away in three years.
- creshal 11y ago
  > The brightness buttons work! The audio volume buttons work! Suspend and resume works! Everything works! I can't remember when I last had a Thinkpad where any of that didn't work out of the box with Linux.
  - david-given 11y ago
    I have to admit that I've never used a Thinkpad. I know they have excellent Linux support (lots of people where I work use them because of this). But on every single other laptop I have ever used Linux on, there has always been something that hasn't worked properly, whether it's audio not waking up properly after a suspend, or occasionally suspend not actually working and I discover a red hot laptop in my bag spinning at 100% CPU, or some such issue. Having a machine which I don't have to fiddle with to make work is a totally new experience for me.
keenerd 11y ago
Well it is the best netbook I've seen in eight years. With the exception of the meager number of ports and the glossy screen, the hardware is wonderful. Everything else comes down to software. Some of the difficulties were because I prefer to do things a difficult way. Eg, Arch is going to require more configuration and sound Just Works if you use Pulse. Having ALSA correctly autoconfigure everything except a single boolean flag is pretty good in my book. The warning about burning out hardware is just me passing on the advice from an engineer who actually works on these boards. Suspend/resume is in fact flawless. It has never failed to come out of suspend, unlike quite a few thinkpads I've used. However linux does the wrong thing here with the bluetooth module. Trivial to fix, and it happens on other hardware too. Not the fault of the Flip. Chromium doesn't run on Arch Linux ARM at all. Any hardware, regardless. So you can't hold that against the Flip. And I don't use Chromium, so this is a non-factor. Almost everything else is the usual crap you have to put up with using garbage closed source video drivers and a kernel hacked out of ChromeOS. But I spend the majority of my time in the terminal, so the graphics are nothing I am concerned about. Similarly, I don't care about the webcam or multitouch, or HDMI because I don't own an HDMI monitor. I feel they are irrelevant details hardly worth mention, but they sound like dealbreakers to you. Literally all I do is typing, reading, listening to music. I wanted fanless, all-day battery life, that weighs under a kilogram and is under $300. The Flip delivers and overall it has been a better experience than running Linux on a thinkpad. There are very few netbooks that could meet those requirements, and none that do it as elegantly as the Flip does. Therefor it is the best in my regard. If you disagree, it is up to you to name something superior according to the given criteria.
- ggreer 11y ago
  Our use-cases are similar, but if you value your time at anything reasonable, your budget should be much higher. Let me explain. I spend about 10 hours a day on my main computer. If I upgrade every 18 months, even a $1500 machine only costs 28 cents per hour. Set aside frustration with drivers or software bugs; expensive laptops win for purely economic reasons. If a $1500 laptop makes me even 10% more productive, it's worth buying. This is the case for practically anyone who works in tech. My current laptop is a base model 12" MacBook. It is, without a doubt, my favorite computer ever. It's small. It's light. The screen is gorgeous. It resumes before I'm done opening the lid. It has an amazing trackpad, excellent battery life, and a wonderful keyboard. With current technology, it could scarcely be improved upon. I wish there was a combination of hardware and software that could compete with it, but so far, nothing I've seen has come close.