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> whole-foods plant-based There should be a lot of veggies, of course, but people seem to think that meat is evil and bad for you. There's a lot of very good r

by metamet 11y ago

> whole-foods plant-based There should be a lot of veggies, of course, but people seem to think that meat is evil and bad for you. There's a lot of very good reasons to eat lean meats, fish and grass-fed ruminants.

blacksmith_tb 11y ago
Well, there are plenty of recent studies that suggest that high-protein diets, and ones with a lot of meat in particular, are associated with increases in the rates of several cancers. But to just to play devil's advocate, why eat meat when you don't need to? I've seen some studies suggesting eating fish has health benefits (though there's the problem of pollution in the oceans), but I can't say I have seen anything that would actually recommend red meat, no matter how wholesome the source.
- metamet 11y ago
  The only issue with red meat would be the carcinogens that come from burning or charring. Saturated fat isn't the evil the FDA once thought it was. There are also a ton of studies that suggest that one of the leading indicators for wellness and longevity is total lean mass, and protein is a fundamental building block for this. There simply isn't a way to eat a whole foods diet and put on muscle mass--you have to supplement with a bunch of pea protein and the like. And vegan/vegetarian diets are notoriously high in carbohydrates and low in fat and protein. Not necessarily a great recipe for wellness. Add to that the androgenic affects that meat (and dairy) produce, and there isn't much that compares. And part of the reason why meat carries some association with cancer is its growth producing effects. Of course, overeating and being sedentary is one of the worst things you can, regardless of if it's meat or not.
  - noondip 11y ago
    > And vegan/vegetarian diets are notoriously high in carbohydrates and low in fat and protein. Not necessarily a great recipe for wellness. Please cite a reputable source for this outlandish claim. You can check my post history for some links to non-profit health organizations such as WHO, which recommend the majority of caloric intake to come from carbohydrates, and to limit fat/protein intake to 15% or less each.

by metamet 11y ago

blacksmith_tb 11y ago

Well, there are plenty of recent studies that suggest that high-protein diets, and ones with a lot of meat in particular, are associated with increases in the rates of several cancers. But to just to play devil's advocate, why eat meat when you don't need to? I've seen some studies suggesting eating fish has health benefits (though there's the problem of pollution in the oceans), but I can't say I have seen anything that would actually recommend red meat, no matter how wholesome the source.

metamet 11y ago
The only issue with red meat would be the carcinogens that come from burning or charring. Saturated fat isn't the evil the FDA once thought it was. There are also a ton of studies that suggest that one of the leading indicators for wellness and longevity is total lean mass, and protein is a fundamental building block for this. There simply isn't a way to eat a whole foods diet and put on muscle mass--you have to supplement with a bunch of pea protein and the like. And vegan/vegetarian diets are notoriously high in carbohydrates and low in fat and protein. Not necessarily a great recipe for wellness. Add to that the androgenic affects that meat (and dairy) produce, and there isn't much that compares. And part of the reason why meat carries some association with cancer is its growth producing effects. Of course, overeating and being sedentary is one of the worst things you can, regardless of if it's meat or not.
- noondip 11y ago
  > And vegan/vegetarian diets are notoriously high in carbohydrates and low in fat and protein. Not necessarily a great recipe for wellness. Please cite a reputable source for this outlandish claim. You can check my post history for some links to non-profit health organizations such as WHO, which recommend the majority of caloric intake to come from carbohydrates, and to limit fat/protein intake to 15% or less each.