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this is what the koran writes about homosexuals: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

this is what the koran writes about homosexuals: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. " pretty black and white. no real way to interpret it any differently. So obviously anyone who reads this will support the murder of any homosexual they encounter. it's quite impossible to read it any other way, just try. put on your best legal hat and try to read the above in any other way. there's no room for believers not to follow 1400 year texts literally. oh wait I was actually quoting Leviticus 20:13, not the koran. My bad! my point is it doesn't matter what a religion says in purely literal terms, being civilized is everyone's responsibility, and it's wrong of you to generalize as you do. Edit: anyone care to explain the downvote?

guard-of-terra 11y ago
I'm not cristian (by my choice) and I reserve right to hate christians too. Currently, I'm definitely in "I hate some christians" mode too. That's what happening in my head (hate as an emotion). I'm not generalizing. Not all muslim declare themself salafi. Those who do - want to eventually kill all able non-abrahamic folk the same way as vegans want to avoid consuming animals. There's no such thing as non-practicing vegan.
- logicallee 11y ago
  This is definitely an interesting viewpoint, though if I could flip a switch and have all hate - the emotion - disappear in the world and be replaced with some constructive or milder alternative, what negative ramifications would it have? Obviously it would have a lot of positive ramifications. For example a lot of people who would love to currently kill you because they "hate" you would not want to anymore. Can you name any negative ramifications to flipping that switch? If not, then why not reduce hate through various means?
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Hate is a weapon. They point their hate at me; I point my hate at them. If all guns suddently disappear, it's benign. But don't persuade me to lower my gun because weapons are dangerous and killing people is immoral - unless the other side lowers their guns at the same time (or before). If all muslims stop hating non-muslim (fueled by salafi doctrine), and if all christians stop hating people for abortions, admitting of human evolution or whatever - for real! - then I will have no reason to dislike any of them. Will still have conflicts with them, when the former block streets for their bairams and the latter build churches in parks on public money.
    - logicallee 11y ago
      So, we disagree. I'll just state my own viewpoint and you can consider it and think about it, and I'll keep yours in mind as well. To briefly state what I personally believe (my own viewpoint) I don't think you need to point hate at hate to cure hate. If illiteracy is a problem, you don't need to attack it with illiteracy. Schoolteachers don't need to be illiterate, so they can solve illiteracy by pointing illiteracy at it. Going to elementary school is mandatory in the United States, which has nearly a 100% basic literacy rate. So we solved this problem with laws. Hate is like illiteracy, in my opinion. at any rate we fundamentally view the situation differently, use and think about different analogies, and so forth. it's probably not great to have a debate here, so we should just think about each other's viewpoints without convincing one another. I'll keep yours in mind as well.
      - guard-of-terra 11y ago
        I'm not in business of curing religious fever. I'm talking about self-defense for the case that help never arrives and religious fanatics start to make their words reality. In this case I and parts of my society should be ready to strike fast and relentless. Right now I do not see any projects of Islam moderation in place. But I do see Saudi Arabia "putting out this fire with gasoline". My only plan is "plan B".
acqq 11y ago
> my point is it doesn't matter what a religion says in purely literal terms, But it matters if the followers of the religion actually form countries where they punish according to that, like in Saudi Arabia. ISIS is also a self-proclaimed Islamic state. That's what I and S stand for. They execute homosexuals. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-punishment-for-homosexuality-in-Islam https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-punishment-for-homosexuali... "All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty: The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted. The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted. The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army."

guard-of-terra 11y ago

I'm not cristian (by my choice) and I reserve right to hate christians too. Currently, I'm definitely in "I hate some christians" mode too. That's what happening in my head (hate as an emotion). I'm not generalizing. Not all muslim declare themself salafi. Those who do - want to eventually kill all able non-abrahamic folk the same way as vegans want to avoid consuming animals. There's no such thing as non-practicing vegan.

logicallee 11y ago
This is definitely an interesting viewpoint, though if I could flip a switch and have all hate - the emotion - disappear in the world and be replaced with some constructive or milder alternative, what negative ramifications would it have? Obviously it would have a lot of positive ramifications. For example a lot of people who would love to currently kill you because they "hate" you would not want to anymore. Can you name any negative ramifications to flipping that switch? If not, then why not reduce hate through various means?
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Hate is a weapon. They point their hate at me; I point my hate at them. If all guns suddently disappear, it's benign. But don't persuade me to lower my gun because weapons are dangerous and killing people is immoral - unless the other side lowers their guns at the same time (or before). If all muslims stop hating non-muslim (fueled by salafi doctrine), and if all christians stop hating people for abortions, admitting of human evolution or whatever - for real! - then I will have no reason to dislike any of them. Will still have conflicts with them, when the former block streets for their bairams and the latter build churches in parks on public money.
  - logicallee 11y ago
    So, we disagree. I'll just state my own viewpoint and you can consider it and think about it, and I'll keep yours in mind as well. To briefly state what I personally believe (my own viewpoint) I don't think you need to point hate at hate to cure hate. If illiteracy is a problem, you don't need to attack it with illiteracy. Schoolteachers don't need to be illiterate, so they can solve illiteracy by pointing illiteracy at it. Going to elementary school is mandatory in the United States, which has nearly a 100% basic literacy rate. So we solved this problem with laws. Hate is like illiteracy, in my opinion. at any rate we fundamentally view the situation differently, use and think about different analogies, and so forth. it's probably not great to have a debate here, so we should just think about each other's viewpoints without convincing one another. I'll keep yours in mind as well.
    - guard-of-terra 11y ago
      I'm not in business of curing religious fever. I'm talking about self-defense for the case that help never arrives and religious fanatics start to make their words reality. In this case I and parts of my society should be ready to strike fast and relentless. Right now I do not see any projects of Islam moderation in place. But I do see Saudi Arabia "putting out this fire with gasoline". My only plan is "plan B".

acqq 11y ago

> my point is it doesn't matter what a religion says in purely literal terms, But it matters if the followers of the religion actually form countries where they punish according to that, like in Saudi Arabia. ISIS is also a self-proclaimed Islamic state. That's what I and S stand for. They execute homosexuals. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-punishment-for-homosexuality-in-Islam https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-punishment-for-homosexuali... "All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty: The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted. The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted. The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army."