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The implicit answer was probably along the lines of "I don't block ads on Google and such, because those ads are tolerable. I know Google has tolerable ads, and

by drdeca 11y ago

The implicit answer was probably along the lines of "I don't block ads on Google and such, because those ads are tolerable. I know Google has tolerable ads, and so I willingly allow those ads to display, and use Google and such". I'm not them though, so I'm not certain. If you had tried a bit harder, I think you could probably have determined what answers they intended for the questions you asked. Well, not whether they used specific sites, because that was probably irrelevant to what you wanted to know/the point you were making. But for the actual point of your question, you could have probably determined how they intended what they said to correspond to your questions. I mean, obviously it's difficult to do that when talking to someone one disagrees with (sometimes it will take me a number of paragraphs of my response until I figure out a way to interpret what was said in a way that makes significantly more sense than the first interpretation I noticed). So, it's certainly understandable to not realize a more reasonable interpretation. But at the same time, it's I think generally better to look for one, to see if one can find one.

TheLogothete 11y ago
I discerned what he was saying, no problem. "I use services which I know are relying on ads and i block them anyway, violating their ToS, but let me bullshit a bit about 'i dont know if the link contains ads' and when I get called out, I will just deflect and play dumb." I just wanted him to say it himself to see if he can understand how flawed his justification is. Watching him weasel out is just for fun.
- lmm 11y ago
  I'm right here, you know? Maybe I'm violating ToS. Never said I wasn't. You said "Stop using websites which rely on advertising. Simple enough." It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler.
  - TheLogothete 11y ago
    >It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. You use them, but deny their profit. >Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler. Simple doesn't mean right.
    - lmm 11y ago
      >Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. Most sites are doing it out of goodwill. There was a time when commercial organisations weren't allowed on the Internet at all. They're the interlopers here, they can play by the existing rules: if you put it on the Web, you expect your content to be accessed by a variety of people who will format it in their own ways.
      - TheLogothete 11y ago
        So it's not about "Hyperlinks don't come with a "this site is full of ads" marker". It's about you feeling entitled to other people's work for free, because... Oh yeah, because long time ago, the internet was not commercialized. Well, newsflash, it is now and those "rules" you talk about are no longer valid. The fact that you made up a reason for your actions only shows that deep down, you know what you're doing is not right. Your mind just makes up justifications for it.
        aninhumer 11y ago
        >The fact that you made up a reason for your actions only shows that deep down, you know what you're doing is not right. Your mind just makes up justifications for it. So it's absolutely impossible for anyone's morality to ever differ from yours, and if they claim it does, they're just lying to themselves?
        TheLogothete 11y ago
        I don't make up justifications for my actions. He said he blocks ads because he doesn't know if a link will lead to a page littered with ads, but that's not the case at all. He uses services which he obviously knows rely on ads to keep running, yet breaks their business model You guys use a business and refuse to abide to its terms of service. In what school of thought that is acceptable? In my country, you buy bus passes on the bus stop and you perforate it yourself when you get on the bus to signal that you've paid for your ride. You want to tell me I can get a free ride on the bus because it is not my job to make the bus company profitable. Are you serious?

by drdeca 11y ago

TheLogothete 11y ago

I discerned what he was saying, no problem. "I use services which I know are relying on ads and i block them anyway, violating their ToS, but let me bullshit a bit about 'i dont know if the link contains ads' and when I get called out, I will just deflect and play dumb." I just wanted him to say it himself to see if he can understand how flawed his justification is. Watching him weasel out is just for fun.

lmm 11y ago
I'm right here, you know? Maybe I'm violating ToS. Never said I wasn't. You said "Stop using websites which rely on advertising. Simple enough." It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler.
- TheLogothete 11y ago
  >It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. You use them, but deny their profit. >Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler. Simple doesn't mean right.
  - lmm 11y ago
    >Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. Most sites are doing it out of goodwill. There was a time when commercial organisations weren't allowed on the Internet at all. They're the interlopers here, they can play by the existing rules: if you put it on the Web, you expect your content to be accessed by a variety of people who will format it in their own ways.
    - TheLogothete 11y ago
      So it's not about "Hyperlinks don't come with a "this site is full of ads" marker". It's about you feeling entitled to other people's work for free, because... Oh yeah, because long time ago, the internet was not commercialized. Well, newsflash, it is now and those "rules" you talk about are no longer valid. The fact that you made up a reason for your actions only shows that deep down, you know what you're doing is not right. Your mind just makes up justifications for it.
      - aninhumer 11y ago
        >The fact that you made up a reason for your actions only shows that deep down, you know what you're doing is not right. Your mind just makes up justifications for it. So it's absolutely impossible for anyone's morality to ever differ from yours, and if they claim it does, they're just lying to themselves?
        TheLogothete 11y ago
        I don't make up justifications for my actions. He said he blocks ads because he doesn't know if a link will lead to a page littered with ads, but that's not the case at all. He uses services which he obviously knows rely on ads to keep running, yet breaks their business model You guys use a business and refuse to abide to its terms of service. In what school of thought that is acceptable? In my country, you buy bus passes on the bus stop and you perforate it yourself when you get on the bus to signal that you've paid for your ride. You want to tell me I can get a free ride on the bus because it is not my job to make the bus company profitable. Are you serious?