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The point I'm making is the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated. Look at it in terms of today's world. Imagine if a president disbanded t

The point I'm making is the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated. Look at it in terms of today's world. Imagine if a president disbanded the congress and held power by threat of force.

golergka 11y ago
I think you're confused; "the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated" is the thesis you're trying to prove. So, what is your argument? Your original comment contained to points for this argument: (1) Republic is old, (2) the Senate was dissolved. (1) relies on the assumption that "old = good" and (2) assumes that elimination of Senate — about which we don't know pretty much anything at the moment — is bad. Does it really look convincing to you? Oh, and Galactic Republic is/was too different from US political system for your comparison to be relevant in any way.
- wildengineer 11y ago
  Any representative government being overthrown by a militaristic dictator is justification for war. Please argue this. I don't see how I could disagree with this, but here's your chance to convince me.
  - golergka 11y ago
    > overthrown Have you seen Episodes 1-3? Palpatine has real support of the public. (Look, dude, of course he's evil as hell, I don't deny that. It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working.)
    - wildengineer 11y ago
      > Palpatine has real support of the public. They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. >It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working. There's nothing to prove. The belief that a people have the right to topple their dictators is subjective. I can only prove something if we share the same axioms. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo
      - dragonwriter 11y ago
        > They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. Not at the time the Empire was formed, though.
      - golergka 11y ago
        > their dictators How do you define who's a dictator and who's not? If Winston Churchill have acquired more executional powers during WWII to get through mind-boggling beurocracy, would you call him dictator, for example? You're trying to prove a statement that is true, but your proof is abysmal.

golergka 11y ago

I think you're confused; "the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated" is the thesis you're trying to prove. So, what is your argument? Your original comment contained to points for this argument: (1) Republic is old, (2) the Senate was dissolved. (1) relies on the assumption that "old = good" and (2) assumes that elimination of Senate — about which we don't know pretty much anything at the moment — is bad. Does it really look convincing to you? Oh, and Galactic Republic is/was too different from US political system for your comparison to be relevant in any way.

wildengineer 11y ago
Any representative government being overthrown by a militaristic dictator is justification for war. Please argue this. I don't see how I could disagree with this, but here's your chance to convince me.
- golergka 11y ago
  > overthrown Have you seen Episodes 1-3? Palpatine has real support of the public. (Look, dude, of course he's evil as hell, I don't deny that. It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working.)
  - wildengineer 11y ago
    > Palpatine has real support of the public. They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. >It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working. There's nothing to prove. The belief that a people have the right to topple their dictators is subjective. I can only prove something if we share the same axioms. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. Not at the time the Empire was formed, though.
    - golergka 11y ago
      > their dictators How do you define who's a dictator and who's not? If Winston Churchill have acquired more executional powers during WWII to get through mind-boggling beurocracy, would you call him dictator, for example? You're trying to prove a statement that is true, but your proof is abysmal.