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This article and others like it ignore the context of the films. Palpatine disbanded the imperial senate. The rebels were fighting to restore the galactic repub

This article and others like it ignore the context of the films. Palpatine disbanded the imperial senate. The rebels were fighting to restore the galactic republic that had stood for 1000 years.

golergka 11y ago
The point you're making is that it's good because it's tradition?
- wildengineer 11y ago
  The point I'm making is the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated. Look at it in terms of today's world. Imagine if a president disbanded the congress and held power by threat of force.
  - golergka 11y ago
    I think you're confused; "the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated" is the thesis you're trying to prove. So, what is your argument? Your original comment contained to points for this argument: (1) Republic is old, (2) the Senate was dissolved. (1) relies on the assumption that "old = good" and (2) assumes that elimination of Senate — about which we don't know pretty much anything at the moment — is bad. Does it really look convincing to you? Oh, and Galactic Republic is/was too different from US political system for your comparison to be relevant in any way.
    - wildengineer 11y ago
      Any representative government being overthrown by a militaristic dictator is justification for war. Please argue this. I don't see how I could disagree with this, but here's your chance to convince me.
      - golergka 11y ago
        > overthrown Have you seen Episodes 1-3? Palpatine has real support of the public. (Look, dude, of course he's evil as hell, I don't deny that. It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working.)
        wildengineer 11y ago
        > Palpatine has real support of the public. They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. >It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working. There's nothing to prove. The belief that a people have the right to topple their dictators is subjective. I can only prove something if we share the same axioms. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo
        dragonwriter 11y ago
        > They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. Not at the time the Empire was formed, though.
        golergka 11y ago
        > their dictators How do you define who's a dictator and who's not? If Winston Churchill have acquired more executional powers during WWII to get through mind-boggling beurocracy, would you call him dictator, for example? You're trying to prove a statement that is true, but your proof is abysmal.

This article and others like it ignore the context of the films. Palpatine disbanded the imperial senate. The rebels were fighting to restore the galactic republic that had stood for 1000 years.

golergka 11y ago

The point you're making is that it's good because it's tradition?

wildengineer 11y ago
The point I'm making is the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated. Look at it in terms of today's world. Imagine if a president disbanded the congress and held power by threat of force.
- golergka 11y ago
  I think you're confused; "the empire was a totalitarian regime that had to be eliminated" is the thesis you're trying to prove. So, what is your argument? Your original comment contained to points for this argument: (1) Republic is old, (2) the Senate was dissolved. (1) relies on the assumption that "old = good" and (2) assumes that elimination of Senate — about which we don't know pretty much anything at the moment — is bad. Does it really look convincing to you? Oh, and Galactic Republic is/was too different from US political system for your comparison to be relevant in any way.
  - wildengineer 11y ago
    Any representative government being overthrown by a militaristic dictator is justification for war. Please argue this. I don't see how I could disagree with this, but here's your chance to convince me.
    - golergka 11y ago
      > overthrown Have you seen Episodes 1-3? Palpatine has real support of the public. (Look, dude, of course he's evil as hell, I don't deny that. It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working.)
      - wildengineer 11y ago
        > Palpatine has real support of the public. They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. >It's just that arguments that you choose to prove that are not working. There's nothing to prove. The belief that a people have the right to topple their dictators is subjective. I can only prove something if we share the same axioms. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM5zEEI_Jo
        dragonwriter 11y ago
        > They showed many planets at the end of RotJ [1] where massive celebrations occurred, including Coruscant. I think these celebrations speak to the rebellion's support. Not at the time the Empire was formed, though.
        golergka 11y ago
        > their dictators How do you define who's a dictator and who's not? If Winston Churchill have acquired more executional powers during WWII to get through mind-boggling beurocracy, would you call him dictator, for example? You're trying to prove a statement that is true, but your proof is abysmal.