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Do you use google? Android? Youtube? Facebook? Twitter? Reddit? Do you visis newspaper sites? Do you know they run ads? Do you still use them even when you know

Do you use google? Android? Youtube? Facebook? Twitter? Reddit? Do you visis newspaper sites? Do you know they run ads? Do you still use them even when you know they run ads?

lmm 11y ago
There's a level of annoyingness I'll tolerate from ads; small text ads or images are fine, autoplaying sound or anything that slows down my computer when I load the page is not.
- TheLogothete 11y ago
  Thanks for replying. While reading your reply, I noticed you didn't answer the questions. How come?
  - drdeca 11y ago
    The implicit answer was probably along the lines of "I don't block ads on Google and such, because those ads are tolerable. I know Google has tolerable ads, and so I willingly allow those ads to display, and use Google and such". I'm not them though, so I'm not certain. If you had tried a bit harder, I think you could probably have determined what answers they intended for the questions you asked. Well, not whether they used specific sites, because that was probably irrelevant to what you wanted to know/the point you were making. But for the actual point of your question, you could have probably determined how they intended what they said to correspond to your questions. I mean, obviously it's difficult to do that when talking to someone one disagrees with (sometimes it will take me a number of paragraphs of my response until I figure out a way to interpret what was said in a way that makes significantly more sense than the first interpretation I noticed). So, it's certainly understandable to not realize a more reasonable interpretation. But at the same time, it's I think generally better to look for one, to see if one can find one.
    - TheLogothete 11y ago
      I discerned what he was saying, no problem. "I use services which I know are relying on ads and i block them anyway, violating their ToS, but let me bullshit a bit about 'i dont know if the link contains ads' and when I get called out, I will just deflect and play dumb." I just wanted him to say it himself to see if he can understand how flawed his justification is. Watching him weasel out is just for fun.
      - lmm 11y ago
        I'm right here, you know? Maybe I'm violating ToS. Never said I wasn't. You said "Stop using websites which rely on advertising. Simple enough." It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler.
        TheLogothete 11y ago
        >It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. You use them, but deny their profit. >Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler. Simple doesn't mean right.
        lmm 11y ago
        >Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. Most sites are doing it out of goodwill. There was a time when commercial organisations weren't allowed on the Internet at all. They're the interlopers here, they can play by the existing rules: if you put it on the Web, you expect your content to be accessed by a variety of people who will format it in their own ways.
        TheLogothete 11y ago
        So it's not about "Hyperlinks don't come with a "this site is full of ads" marker". It's about you feeling entitled to other people's work for free, because... Oh yeah, because long time ago, the internet was not commercialized. Well, newsflash, it is now and those "rules" you talk about are no longer valid. The fact that you made up a reason for your actions only shows that deep down, you know what you're doing is not right. Your mind just makes up justifications for it.
  - lmm 11y ago
    I thought I'd jump straight to what I thought you were implying. But if you want the direct answers: I use google, android, youtube, facebook, and occasionally reddit. I don't generally visit newspaper sites. I know most of them run ads, and still use them even when I know they run ads; FWIW I still use them when I'm using a computer that doesn't have an adblocker installed (fairly frequent), under which circumstance I'm a lot more cautious about visiting sites I don't recognize.

Do you use google? Android? Youtube? Facebook? Twitter? Reddit? Do you visis newspaper sites? Do you know they run ads? Do you still use them even when you know they run ads?

lmm 11y ago

There's a level of annoyingness I'll tolerate from ads; small text ads or images are fine, autoplaying sound or anything that slows down my computer when I load the page is not.

TheLogothete 11y ago
Thanks for replying. While reading your reply, I noticed you didn't answer the questions. How come?
- drdeca 11y ago
  The implicit answer was probably along the lines of "I don't block ads on Google and such, because those ads are tolerable. I know Google has tolerable ads, and so I willingly allow those ads to display, and use Google and such". I'm not them though, so I'm not certain. If you had tried a bit harder, I think you could probably have determined what answers they intended for the questions you asked. Well, not whether they used specific sites, because that was probably irrelevant to what you wanted to know/the point you were making. But for the actual point of your question, you could have probably determined how they intended what they said to correspond to your questions. I mean, obviously it's difficult to do that when talking to someone one disagrees with (sometimes it will take me a number of paragraphs of my response until I figure out a way to interpret what was said in a way that makes significantly more sense than the first interpretation I noticed). So, it's certainly understandable to not realize a more reasonable interpretation. But at the same time, it's I think generally better to look for one, to see if one can find one.
  - TheLogothete 11y ago
    I discerned what he was saying, no problem. "I use services which I know are relying on ads and i block them anyway, violating their ToS, but let me bullshit a bit about 'i dont know if the link contains ads' and when I get called out, I will just deflect and play dumb." I just wanted him to say it himself to see if he can understand how flawed his justification is. Watching him weasel out is just for fun.
    - lmm 11y ago
      I'm right here, you know? Maybe I'm violating ToS. Never said I wasn't. You said "Stop using websites which rely on advertising. Simple enough." It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler.
      - TheLogothete 11y ago
        >It isn't, unless you only visit a dozen sites and ignore links on them. Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. You use them, but deny their profit. >Installing an ad-blocker is much simpler. Simple doesn't mean right.
        lmm 11y ago
        >Why do you feel entitled to use all the sites? They are not there to serve you out of goodwill. They are making a profit. Most sites are doing it out of goodwill. There was a time when commercial organisations weren't allowed on the Internet at all. They're the interlopers here, they can play by the existing rules: if you put it on the Web, you expect your content to be accessed by a variety of people who will format it in their own ways.
        TheLogothete 11y ago
        So it's not about "Hyperlinks don't come with a "this site is full of ads" marker". It's about you feeling entitled to other people's work for free, because... Oh yeah, because long time ago, the internet was not commercialized. Well, newsflash, it is now and those "rules" you talk about are no longer valid. The fact that you made up a reason for your actions only shows that deep down, you know what you're doing is not right. Your mind just makes up justifications for it.
- lmm 11y ago
  I thought I'd jump straight to what I thought you were implying. But if you want the direct answers: I use google, android, youtube, facebook, and occasionally reddit. I don't generally visit newspaper sites. I know most of them run ads, and still use them even when I know they run ads; FWIW I still use them when I'm using a computer that doesn't have an adblocker installed (fairly frequent), under which circumstance I'm a lot more cautious about visiting sites I don't recognize.