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In Russia, communists won the Civil War precisely because they were talking about the new utopia. Because, the other side said: "we will win the war and then d
by guard-of-terra 11y ago
In Russia, communists won the Civil War precisely because they were talking about the new utopia.
Because, the other side said: "we will win the war and then decide what to build". That's why I even struggle name them, other than "white" (as opposed to communist "red").
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoThe Whites were pretty clear in their goals, I'd thought: preservation of monarchy and status quo. A more interesting counterfactual would have been Menshevik victory.
- guard-of-terra 11y agoExcept most of them were actually republican, supporting Provisional Government. It was a wide coalition of monarchists, republicans, orthdox priests and military. Their only common ground was perhaps dislike and fear of reds (and that turned out very justified).
- chimprich 11y ago> Their only common ground was perhaps dislike and fear of reds (and that turned out very justified). Getting wildly OT now but the atrocities and systematic killings performed by the Nationalists absolutely dwarfed the isolated killings on the Republican side, perhaps by a factor of ten to one.
- guard-of-terra 11y agoI'm sorry, who are nationalists that you're talking about? Is it the right civil war? Only thing coming to my mind is ukrainian nationalists, Petlura, that kind of thing.
- chimprich 11y agoAh sorry, I thought you were referring to the Spanish Civil War as discussed by the original poster. I failed to notice the thread had shifted context.