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Dear Eclipse, Please make a more usable IDE. Sincerely, Anyone that has used other IDEs besides Eclipse.

koko775 11y ago
Dear Eclipse Detractor, Please make a more reasonable and detailed critique. Sincerely, Someone who prefers Eclipse over IntelliJ (strongly, I cannot STAND IntelliJ), Textmate, Atom, Sublime Text 3, Vim, Emacs, and NetBeans. (EDIT: davnicwil, your reply to me disappeared. Was it deleted? I appreciated the discussion and had written a reply.)
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- mkobit 11y ago
  I feel the opposite way about the IntelliJ/Eclipse (strongly prefer IntelliJ over Eclipse). I stopped using Eclipse at, I believe, Juno or Kepler (4.2/4.3) and switched to IntelliJ 13. I found that Eclipse very frequently just plain froze while doing an operation, was laggy, and crashed frequently. There was also very long startup times. I haven't used Eclipse in a few versions, but when I made the switch I was extremely thankful that I did. What makes you prefer Eclipse? Or, rather, what makes you dislike IntelliJ?
  - LoneWolf 11y ago
    My exact feeling, I have left eclipse a long time ago, recently (around a year ago) I tried luna and it was still incredibly slow, crashed a lot, for no reason my classes wouldn't hot-swap making me restart the entire webapp (with a heavy startup time) and had to rebuild the workspace because for unknown reasons since everything just stopped working. Not to mention that the eclipse auto-complete is just useless when compared with intellij.
- simula67 11y ago
  > Please make a more reasonable and detailed critique. and then > I cannot STAND IntelliJ with no reasonable or detailed critique.
  - koko775 11y ago
    Someone else replied but deleted their reply, I had mine written up but they deleted their post before I could post. Here it is: > You're right in that a large degree of my preference owes itself to familiarity bordering on second nature – I gave IntelliJ another shot recently, and I didn't feel right adapting to it. Autocomplete was typically the very first keystroke I changed - to escape - so it was never frustrating to me. I'm also fond of an old plugin that generates class builders, which made creating immutable POJOs with autogenerated constructors/hash/equals/toString super fast and easy. > Thanks for your reply!
    - AlphaSite 11y ago
      IntelliJ can auto generate all that, although not through a. Single keystroke.
    - AlphaSite 11y ago
      IntelliJ can auto generate all that, although not through a. Single keystroke.
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jermo 11y ago
Eclipse's usability depends a lot on what it use it for. It supports lots of languages, build tools and environments. All that is supported through plugins and the quality of those plugins determines your user experience. Without naming your use case your comment doesn't really help anyone. I like IntelliJ but do prefer Eclipse and am quite happy with it's core functionality. It's when you install all kinds of extra plug-ins is when it's starts to become less usable. But I've heard similar things about Sublime and Atom.
- lesbaker 11y ago
  I think you make a good point -- the "mod-ability" of Eclipse simultaneously makes it attractive to people who like to customize their dev environment to the max and is a big weakness. Some people just want an out-of-box experience that just works. As an example, I barely remember (since it was a while back) having to find and configure Maven support. Search for the plugin (think it was called m2eclipse). Then add the plugin repository to a list inside the update dialog. Then select the appropriate bundle. Then figure out where the new menu options are (right-click on the POM? on the project?) I also remember not fully grokking the workspace concept (Why can't I work with the checked-out project directly?) This was two/three years back so I'm sure Eclipse may have improved a lot in the meantime. Take it for what you will -- the point is not to get into Eclipse vs. other IDE discussion, but that having a lot of stuff ready to go and discoverable matters a lot to Joe Developer (and to the person trying to onboard him).
wonkaWonka 11y ago
Dear Every Other IDE That Costs Money, Whether Costs Are Implicit (os license bundling, for example) Or Explicit (not naming names), Please be free and open source. Sincerely, Anyone that has ever paid money for anything ever.
- LoneWolf 11y ago
  Dear someone who has never paid money for anything, you would be surprised that in some cases the performance boost you get ends up compensating (mine with IntelliJ did)

Dear Eclipse Detractor, Please make a more reasonable and detailed critique. Sincerely, Someone who prefers Eclipse over IntelliJ (strongly, I cannot STAND IntelliJ), Textmate, Atom, Sublime Text 3, Vim, Emacs, and NetBeans. (EDIT: davnicwil, your reply to me disappeared. Was it deleted? I appreciated the discussion and had written a reply.)

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mkobit 11y ago
I feel the opposite way about the IntelliJ/Eclipse (strongly prefer IntelliJ over Eclipse). I stopped using Eclipse at, I believe, Juno or Kepler (4.2/4.3) and switched to IntelliJ 13. I found that Eclipse very frequently just plain froze while doing an operation, was laggy, and crashed frequently. There was also very long startup times. I haven't used Eclipse in a few versions, but when I made the switch I was extremely thankful that I did. What makes you prefer Eclipse? Or, rather, what makes you dislike IntelliJ?
- LoneWolf 11y ago
  My exact feeling, I have left eclipse a long time ago, recently (around a year ago) I tried luna and it was still incredibly slow, crashed a lot, for no reason my classes wouldn't hot-swap making me restart the entire webapp (with a heavy startup time) and had to rebuild the workspace because for unknown reasons since everything just stopped working. Not to mention that the eclipse auto-complete is just useless when compared with intellij.
simula67 11y ago
> Please make a more reasonable and detailed critique. and then > I cannot STAND IntelliJ with no reasonable or detailed critique.
- koko775 11y ago
  Someone else replied but deleted their reply, I had mine written up but they deleted their post before I could post. Here it is: > You're right in that a large degree of my preference owes itself to familiarity bordering on second nature – I gave IntelliJ another shot recently, and I didn't feel right adapting to it. Autocomplete was typically the very first keystroke I changed - to escape - so it was never frustrating to me. I'm also fond of an old plugin that generates class builders, which made creating immutable POJOs with autogenerated constructors/hash/equals/toString super fast and easy. > Thanks for your reply!
  - AlphaSite 11y ago
    IntelliJ can auto generate all that, although not through a. Single keystroke.
  - AlphaSite 11y ago
    IntelliJ can auto generate all that, although not through a. Single keystroke.

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jermo 11y ago

Eclipse's usability depends a lot on what it use it for. It supports lots of languages, build tools and environments. All that is supported through plugins and the quality of those plugins determines your user experience. Without naming your use case your comment doesn't really help anyone. I like IntelliJ but do prefer Eclipse and am quite happy with it's core functionality. It's when you install all kinds of extra plug-ins is when it's starts to become less usable. But I've heard similar things about Sublime and Atom.

lesbaker 11y ago
I think you make a good point -- the "mod-ability" of Eclipse simultaneously makes it attractive to people who like to customize their dev environment to the max and is a big weakness. Some people just want an out-of-box experience that just works. As an example, I barely remember (since it was a while back) having to find and configure Maven support. Search for the plugin (think it was called m2eclipse). Then add the plugin repository to a list inside the update dialog. Then select the appropriate bundle. Then figure out where the new menu options are (right-click on the POM? on the project?) I also remember not fully grokking the workspace concept (Why can't I work with the checked-out project directly?) This was two/three years back so I'm sure Eclipse may have improved a lot in the meantime. Take it for what you will -- the point is not to get into Eclipse vs. other IDE discussion, but that having a lot of stuff ready to go and discoverable matters a lot to Joe Developer (and to the person trying to onboard him).

wonkaWonka 11y ago

Dear Every Other IDE That Costs Money, Whether Costs Are Implicit (os license bundling, for example) Or Explicit (not naming names), Please be free and open source. Sincerely, Anyone that has ever paid money for anything ever.

LoneWolf 11y ago
Dear someone who has never paid money for anything, you would be surprised that in some cases the performance boost you get ends up compensating (mine with IntelliJ did)