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There is nothing denigrating about using "training wheels" as an analogy, Apple's bread and butter are media consumers and not developers, in my experience it s

by pdex 11y ago

There is nothing denigrating about using "training wheels" as an analogy, Apple's bread and butter are media consumers and not developers, in my experience it shows in the OS."Training wheels" are for kids to learn how to ride a bike without hurting themselves, similarly Mac OS is primarily geared towards providing a "safe" home computer experience to the computer illiterate media consumers where user is protected from destroying their system by being passively prohibitive. These "training wheels" are particularly irritating although they can be worked around, but they also make simple tasks far more complicated than they need to be this is rather frustrating/irritating for some developers. All platforms have their share of problems.

snowwrestler 11y ago
> Apple's bread and butter are media consumers and not developers, in my experience it shows in the OS. I mean, have you been to a developer conference lately? That wasn't a Microsoft conference? Did you happen to see any Macs there? > Mac OS is primarily geared towards providing a "safe" home computer experience to the computer illiterate media consumers where user is protected from destroying their system by being passively prohibitive. OS X has shipped with a complete Unix shell since 2001. Pretty much every dangerous command you can think of on Linux will execute the same way in Terminal.
- pdex 11y ago
  >I mean, have you been to a developer conference lately? That wasn't a Microsoft conference? Did you happen to see any Macs there? I haven't been to a MS developer conference and saw a mix of platforms at all other conferences I've been to. Have you actually watched apple's product launches? Ever notice the media consumer is whom they are marketing to? >OS X has shipped with a complete Unix shell since 2001. Pretty much every dangerous command you can think of on Linux will execute the same way in Terminal. There is so much more to an OS than terminal, so it's not all that matters. I suppose if one only worked 100% out of terminal and nothing else it would be a non-issue.
  - snowwrestler 11y ago
    This Apple product launch was for consumers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87fOAG8fjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87fOAG8fjk Again: if there are aspects of OS X you don't like, that's fine. There are certainly some things that I don't like. But the idea that it's somehow got "training wheels" and is therefore not suitable for developers, is just not supported by any evidence.
    - pdex 11y ago
      You're offended by the term, but I assure you I'm being quite objective- the "safety measures/training wheels" clearly exist. Why is it that you feel it's not suitable for developers? I'm curious because I never said that, but you did.

by pdex 11y ago

snowwrestler 11y ago

> Apple's bread and butter are media consumers and not developers, in my experience it shows in the OS. I mean, have you been to a developer conference lately? That wasn't a Microsoft conference? Did you happen to see any Macs there? > Mac OS is primarily geared towards providing a "safe" home computer experience to the computer illiterate media consumers where user is protected from destroying their system by being passively prohibitive. OS X has shipped with a complete Unix shell since 2001. Pretty much every dangerous command you can think of on Linux will execute the same way in Terminal.

pdex 11y ago
>I mean, have you been to a developer conference lately? That wasn't a Microsoft conference? Did you happen to see any Macs there? I haven't been to a MS developer conference and saw a mix of platforms at all other conferences I've been to. Have you actually watched apple's product launches? Ever notice the media consumer is whom they are marketing to? >OS X has shipped with a complete Unix shell since 2001. Pretty much every dangerous command you can think of on Linux will execute the same way in Terminal. There is so much more to an OS than terminal, so it's not all that matters. I suppose if one only worked 100% out of terminal and nothing else it would be a non-issue.
- snowwrestler 11y ago
  This Apple product launch was for consumers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87fOAG8fjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87fOAG8fjk Again: if there are aspects of OS X you don't like, that's fine. There are certainly some things that I don't like. But the idea that it's somehow got "training wheels" and is therefore not suitable for developers, is just not supported by any evidence.
  - pdex 11y ago
    You're offended by the term, but I assure you I'm being quite objective- the "safety measures/training wheels" clearly exist. Why is it that you feel it's not suitable for developers? I'm curious because I never said that, but you did.