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Duh? This happens every single goddamn time anyone takes a bunch of donations via intermediaries like Paypal and Google Checkout, especially internationally, an

by blasdel 17y ago

Duh? This happens every single goddamn time anyone takes a bunch of donations via intermediaries like Paypal and Google Checkout, especially internationally, and extra-especially when you don't use their special no-markup program for registered nonprofits. It looks exactly like you've cashing out stolen consumer accounts. They have every incentive to freeze the account indefinitely, and they never let anyone get away with it for more than a couple thousand dollars.

sorbits 17y ago
With the revenue of WikiLeaks I would think they have a personal account manager — I have one and he has told me that if my account is flagged for “being frozen” it has to pass through his desk first (so effectively it shouldn’t happen). Not saying that the PayPal behavior is acceptable, just wondering why WikiLeaks doesn’t appear to have any PayPal contact.
- blasdel 17y ago
  They are staying anonymous by passing everything through an intermediary overseas nonprofit. Keeping It Real Shady.
ZachPruckowski 17y ago
So what, we're just supposed to accept that if we use Paypal or Google Checkout we can't have sales, promotions, or donation drives? That we must sell a consistent number of units per day?
- blasdel 17y ago
  Any business relationship can be voided with a proportional amount of effort as it took to enter it. If you don't want to be cut off so easily, you'll need to use a payment medium that's more difficult to acquire access to and involves fewer middlemen. There are only a handful of levels: eCash Account (PayPal, Google Checkout, Amazon Payments) Payment Gateway + Merchant Account (Authorize.net + Bank) Be a big fish that can negotiate + interface directly with Visa, etc. Be Visa / Mastercard (since their IPOs), PayPal, AmEx, etc. Be a bank
rtyuhjikjh 17y ago
So couldn't somebody at Paypal have a quick look at the reports from the auto-cancel? Especially for a large long standing customer like Wikileaks? They did this years ago after the Asian tsunami - they suspended the Red Cross's account because of a suspicous number of new donations!

by blasdel 17y ago

sorbits 17y ago

With the revenue of WikiLeaks I would think they have a personal account manager — I have one and he has told me that if my account is flagged for “being frozen” it has to pass through his desk first (so effectively it shouldn’t happen). Not saying that the PayPal behavior is acceptable, just wondering why WikiLeaks doesn’t appear to have any PayPal contact.

blasdel 17y ago
They are staying anonymous by passing everything through an intermediary overseas nonprofit. Keeping It Real Shady.

ZachPruckowski 17y ago

So what, we're just supposed to accept that if we use Paypal or Google Checkout we can't have sales, promotions, or donation drives? That we must sell a consistent number of units per day?

blasdel 17y ago
Any business relationship can be voided with a proportional amount of effort as it took to enter it. If you don't want to be cut off so easily, you'll need to use a payment medium that's more difficult to acquire access to and involves fewer middlemen. There are only a handful of levels: eCash Account (PayPal, Google Checkout, Amazon Payments) Payment Gateway + Merchant Account (Authorize.net + Bank) Be a big fish that can negotiate + interface directly with Visa, etc. Be Visa / Mastercard (since their IPOs), PayPal, AmEx, etc. Be a bank

rtyuhjikjh 17y ago

So couldn't somebody at Paypal have a quick look at the reports from the auto-cancel? Especially for a large long standing customer like Wikileaks? They did this years ago after the Asian tsunami - they suspended the Red Cross's account because of a suspicous number of new donations!