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I wish I could sit down with every person on this thread and devote as much time as required for me to hear out their position and me to make mine. But, since I
by oneJob 11y ago
I wish I could sit down with every person on this thread and devote as much time as required for me to hear out their position and me to make mine. But, since I can't and since the info is already out there, I'll just say, please, pleaseeeeee go educate yourself.
Humanity has just about built the infrastructure to lock in 2 degree temp increase. We are talking about a matter of years, not a decade. We are talking about locking in, not higher probability.
Yet, there is uninterrupted talk of growing our economies (but little talk of reducing the wealth gap). If our economies are to continue growing. If we continue to be an extraction oriented species. If we continue to spend tens of billions a year searching out new fossil fuel reserves when we can't use half of those we already know of without pushing the 4-6 degree threshold..?
Nature, will go on. Some portion of humanity, will go on. It's not the end of the world. Just the end of the world as we know it.
If today everyone ditched their cars and used public transit and bikes, we shut down the airlines, and became vegan we'd be most of the way there. Switch to organic farming and cradle-to-cradle manufacturing would almost surely get us the rest of the way there.
Yeah, I know, that's not going to happen and people don't want it to. My point is simply, the solution is not some black magic or future technology. The solution is simply a choice.
edit: for cradle-to-cradle, see... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle-to-cradle_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle-to-cradle_design
- eli_gottlieb 11y ago>If today everyone ditched their cars and used public transit and bikes, we shut down the airlines, and became vegan we'd be most of the way there. One of these things is not like the others: shutting down airlines is an actual regulatory action. The others are lifestyle choices (and for what it's worth, I overwhelmingly just use public transit and my bike). >Switch to organic farming and cradle-to-cradle manufacturing would almost surely get us the rest of the way there. I'd like it if you could explain "cradle-to-cradle manufacturing", but I'm very skeptical that organic farming would actually help. Last I heard, even when you account for the subsidies paid to make industrial farming cheap, organic farming is still more resource-intensive than industrial farming. Further, again, last I heard, lifestyle changes on the part of individuals have far less impact on resource usage than policy changes in major industries.
- socialist_coder 11y agoReally the type of farming you need is permaculture and forest gardening, and implementing these literally everywhere that humans live. That is, in my opinion, the best type of farming that is also sustainable. "Organic" farming is still just as bad for the environment and soil as regular farming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_gardening https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_gardening