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I think it is time that we as a species faced a few hard truths: 1) Nothing short of a dark age will reduce human emissions to a non factor in climate shift 2
by classicsnoot 11y ago
I think it is time that we as a species faced a few hard truths:
1) Nothing short of a dark age will reduce human emissions to a non factor in climate shift
2) Climate shift was always inevitable. It has happened before; it will happen again. The only thing we have done is hasten it... maybe.
3) All global efforts in regards to climate shift should be pointed at adapting to the changes, safeguarding threatened species (or collecting the requisite genetic data to one day rebuild them), and ensuring our specie's evolutionary March into the future.
We shouldn't be designing green houses; we should be learning how to live underwater and underground. We should be planning for the Great Inland Migration. We should be hardening and burying all infrastructure. We should be decreasing energy and material waste for efficiency reasons, not feel-good reasons.
This nascent cataclysm is not a fire, it is a flood. The metaphorical waters will rise and recede over thousands of years. No one in the future will give a flying fuck about Priuses or carbon credits. They will either praise us for building the tools and protocols byvwhich they survive, or curse us for thinking we could fight the inevitable.
Our kind showed up at the end of an ice age. Let's not circle jerk ourselves to extinction in the face of another. Assessing past faults is pointless. We must adapt our collective civilizations to a dynamic future for which we are biologically and technologically I'll equipped.
- tim333 11y agoEven if you buy the hypothesis that climate change can't be stopped, the sea level rises would be something like 1 or 2m / century. More a case of get your grandkids to build their houses a quarter mile inland than a mad panic. Funnily enough global sea levels rose about 90m over the last 10,000 years and people hardly even noticed. You used to be able to walk from England to France where the channel now is.
- classicsnoot 11y agoYou are seriously suggesting that a 7 billion plus population is going to just roll with a level of increase that quickly like it is nothing? So I guess you feel that all of this 'forestall global warming' is hullabaloo... Most of the world lives at or below sea level. If 2 million 'refugees' can cause an unprecedented crisis, what do you think will be the effect of entire islands, countries, and regions mass migrating Inland will be?
- tim333 11y agoNo, just that it wouldn't be as bad as classicsnoot was suggesting. Though I'd agree with him that our current efforts at reducing emissions are not having much effect. I'd lean towards not worrying two much for the next decade or two and then reducing emissions to less than zero when solar is seriously cheap and robots can cover the Sahara with it.
- classicsnoot 11y agoBut... But... ye gods, man. Bangladesh is entirely at sea level. Southeast Asia, the entirety of the -nesias, every island and seaboard, damn near ~70% of the world's population will be under water in 200 years, and their mass migration is headed toward arod plains that can barely support 50 people per square mile. A decimation is 1 out of 10; we are looking at 9 out of 10. The psychological impact alone is enough to make the survivors believe in Allah. Climate Shift is real, and I get the feel that we are using it as a political set piece in the Game of Chairs.
- DrScump 11y agoBangladesh is entirely at sea level. One could argue that Bangladeshis aren't all that worried about it themselves, given their high population growth rate (higher than, for example, India or Mexico). [CIA World Fact Book 2014]
- classicsnoot 11y agoAreas with extreme violence, high poverty, and uncertain futures tend to have high birthrates according to this Swede [1] FWIW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78
- vlehto 11y agoActually first thing seems to be lots and lots of greenhouses. Food production currently relies on relatively stable and predictable weather. The one certain thing climate change is going to do is make weather unpredictable. Bunker for you hardly matters, if you don't have anything to eat.
- classicsnoot 11y agoFair point. I meant the industry that is selling geothermal water heaters and solar panels to consumers for the poorly made suburb houses.