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Django has a community and leaders that care, and Django continues to get better. Flask is basically abandoned, despite continually receiving undocumented comm

Django has a community and leaders that care, and Django continues to get better. Flask is basically abandoned, despite continually receiving undocumented commits. Flask hasn't even had a PyPi release, or even a Git tag for that matter, since June, 2013. The documentation is also far behind.

scrollaway 11y ago
Flask is not abandoned. It receives far less commits than Django because 95% of features common to Flask apps are in modules which are not part of Flask core. Flask plugins are thriving... The last commit in Flask-SQLAlchemy for example was 2 hours ago. The other main difference is Django is developed as part of a large organization, Flask is not. Get the right people together and that could be fixed easily...
orf 11y ago
That doesn't seem to be the case: https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/graphs/contributors https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/graphs/contributors. The owner seems to be fairly active, but it is surprising that there hasn't been a release in two years. It is a micro-framework though so how much can they really add, and the apps and ecosystem around it hasn't stagnated at all.
- mangeletti 11y ago
  > ... so how much can they really add They add tons. There are many commits, bug fixes, etc. It's just that there A) hasn't been a release to PyPi, B) is an inordinate quantity of unmerged pull requests, C) are many undocumented changes, and D) issues like https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1272 https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1272 that are over a year old (I left a comment https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1575#issuecomment-153219407 https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1575#issuecomment-... explaining the vicious circle that I believe is created by not releasing to PyPi). I commit to Django (and donate), but I would never commit to Flask when it makes no attempt at Industry Standards™ like PyPi releases. I shouldn't have said it's "abandoned", because that's an insult to the parts of the community that are very active.
bjt 11y ago
Most of Flask's heavy lifting is done by Werkzeug, which had its last PyPi release a month ago. I use Werkzeug directly rather than Flask, so I can't speak to whether Flask is abandonware or not, but I'm very happy with Werkzeug. With very little effort, I get to build just enough framework for my application, without having to be shoehorned into someone else's tradeoffs.
- mangeletti 11y ago
  Very interesting. I'm going to give Werkzeug a try. Have you tried out Falcon, btw? If so, how does it compare to Werkzeug?
  - bjt 11y ago
    I haven't tried Falcon. I hear it's fast.
sandGorgon 11y ago
We have been concerned about that as well - we have our infra built around Flask already. Im wondering what's a suitable alternative.... with SQLAlchemy and Celery/RQ integration?
- aprdm 11y ago
  Pyramid?
JustSomeNobody 11y ago
Why is flask abandoned? Can't software just be done at some point?

scrollaway 11y ago

Flask is not abandoned. It receives far less commits than Django because 95% of features common to Flask apps are in modules which are not part of Flask core. Flask plugins are thriving... The last commit in Flask-SQLAlchemy for example was 2 hours ago. The other main difference is Django is developed as part of a large organization, Flask is not. Get the right people together and that could be fixed easily...

orf 11y ago

That doesn't seem to be the case: https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/graphs/contributors https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/graphs/contributors. The owner seems to be fairly active, but it is surprising that there hasn't been a release in two years. It is a micro-framework though so how much can they really add, and the apps and ecosystem around it hasn't stagnated at all.

mangeletti 11y ago
> ... so how much can they really add They add tons. There are many commits, bug fixes, etc. It's just that there A) hasn't been a release to PyPi, B) is an inordinate quantity of unmerged pull requests, C) are many undocumented changes, and D) issues like https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1272 https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1272 that are over a year old (I left a comment https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1575#issuecomment-153219407 https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/1575#issuecomment-... explaining the vicious circle that I believe is created by not releasing to PyPi). I commit to Django (and donate), but I would never commit to Flask when it makes no attempt at Industry Standards™ like PyPi releases. I shouldn't have said it's "abandoned", because that's an insult to the parts of the community that are very active.

bjt 11y ago

Most of Flask's heavy lifting is done by Werkzeug, which had its last PyPi release a month ago. I use Werkzeug directly rather than Flask, so I can't speak to whether Flask is abandonware or not, but I'm very happy with Werkzeug. With very little effort, I get to build just enough framework for my application, without having to be shoehorned into someone else's tradeoffs.

mangeletti 11y ago
Very interesting. I'm going to give Werkzeug a try. Have you tried out Falcon, btw? If so, how does it compare to Werkzeug?
- bjt 11y ago
  I haven't tried Falcon. I hear it's fast.

sandGorgon 11y ago

We have been concerned about that as well - we have our infra built around Flask already. Im wondering what's a suitable alternative.... with SQLAlchemy and Celery/RQ integration?

aprdm 11y ago
Pyramid?

JustSomeNobody 11y ago

Why is flask abandoned? Can't software just be done at some point?