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> ...These driver owners are small businessmen. They own their own trucks. ..." The Uber case can be distinguished...Uber actually owns the vehicles many of th

> ...These driver owners are small businessmen. They own their own trucks. ..." The Uber case can be distinguished...Uber actually owns the vehicles many of the Uber Driver's operate. (If you are an Uber driver you can have Uber finance you a vehicle). Further, very likely the truck drivers actually own a business entity separate and apart from themselves, I don't think you will find many Uber drivers being paid in the name of a business (not determiniative but a factor in many states).

morgante 11y ago
> Uber actually owns the vehicles many of the Uber Driver's operate The vast majority of Uber vehicles are owned by the driver.
- uremog 11y ago
  Are there some that are actually owned by Uber?
  - pbreit 11y ago
    I think the answer is most likely "no". And I'd be surprised if it even gets kickbacks from leasing companies since it is already getting nice cars on the road with motivated drivers who have to pay their leases off with earnings.
bdcravens 11y ago
> If you are an Uber driver you can have Uber finance you a vehicle Uber doesn't provide the financing. From their financing page (https://get.uber.com/cl/financing/ https://get.uber.com/cl/financing/) "Each participating lender has set requirements for approval and certain items on your credit report may exclude you from eligibility" Uber just partners with lenders and dealerships, and deducts the money on behalf of the lender.
- will_brown 11y ago
  >Uber just partners with lenders and dealerships In other words, the Uber drivers ("contractors") don't own their own equipment ("the car") rather Uber's partners name is probably on the title. While I don't know the answer, should the evidence come out, do you think Uber is making money from their partners financing the equipment to the Uber contractors?
  - morgante 11y ago
    > In other words, the Uber drivers ("contractors") don't own their own equipment ("the car") rather Uber's partners name is probably on the title. That's now how car financing works.
    - will_brown 11y ago
      Financing your car through the company that you work for as an independent contractor it not generally how car financing works. "Tools and Materials: The furnishing of tools, materials, etc., by the employer indicates control over the worker." I think that fact that in some instances the company finances the very tools required by the contractor to perform - for this factor - suggests employee, I imagine you still don't. Luckily from the sidelines we can watch as the various levels of government (federal, state and local) begin to figure it out for all of us. Already California Labor Commissions have ruled an Uber driver as an employee (which Uber is appealing to the CA Courts, so now we will have our first taste of their opinion) and per this article some state legislatures appear to be codifying drivers for TNCs as ICs.
      - pbreit 11y ago
        I think you're pretty far off on all of this. Most Uber drivers own their own cars. Uber doesn't do any of the leasing itself, instead sending drivers to 3rd party leasing companies. Uber gets either zero or very little kickbacks since Uber's primary motivation is getting drivers in nice cars on the road. The California decision was by some employment office with no real authority on the case of a single driver and so pretty much irrelevant.

morgante 11y ago

> Uber actually owns the vehicles many of the Uber Driver's operate The vast majority of Uber vehicles are owned by the driver.

uremog 11y ago
Are there some that are actually owned by Uber?
- pbreit 11y ago
  I think the answer is most likely "no". And I'd be surprised if it even gets kickbacks from leasing companies since it is already getting nice cars on the road with motivated drivers who have to pay their leases off with earnings.

bdcravens 11y ago

> If you are an Uber driver you can have Uber finance you a vehicle Uber doesn't provide the financing. From their financing page (https://get.uber.com/cl/financing/ https://get.uber.com/cl/financing/) "Each participating lender has set requirements for approval and certain items on your credit report may exclude you from eligibility" Uber just partners with lenders and dealerships, and deducts the money on behalf of the lender.

will_brown 11y ago
>Uber just partners with lenders and dealerships In other words, the Uber drivers ("contractors") don't own their own equipment ("the car") rather Uber's partners name is probably on the title. While I don't know the answer, should the evidence come out, do you think Uber is making money from their partners financing the equipment to the Uber contractors?
- morgante 11y ago
  > In other words, the Uber drivers ("contractors") don't own their own equipment ("the car") rather Uber's partners name is probably on the title. That's now how car financing works.
  - will_brown 11y ago
    Financing your car through the company that you work for as an independent contractor it not generally how car financing works. "Tools and Materials: The furnishing of tools, materials, etc., by the employer indicates control over the worker." I think that fact that in some instances the company finances the very tools required by the contractor to perform - for this factor - suggests employee, I imagine you still don't. Luckily from the sidelines we can watch as the various levels of government (federal, state and local) begin to figure it out for all of us. Already California Labor Commissions have ruled an Uber driver as an employee (which Uber is appealing to the CA Courts, so now we will have our first taste of their opinion) and per this article some state legislatures appear to be codifying drivers for TNCs as ICs.
    - pbreit 11y ago
      I think you're pretty far off on all of this. Most Uber drivers own their own cars. Uber doesn't do any of the leasing itself, instead sending drivers to 3rd party leasing companies. Uber gets either zero or very little kickbacks since Uber's primary motivation is getting drivers in nice cars on the road. The California decision was by some employment office with no real authority on the case of a single driver and so pretty much irrelevant.